80% Featureless - registration?

[M1NM]

All the other threads are getting cluttered/confused/off topic so PLEASE ONLY address this specific question in this thread.
AR pattern 80% already marked per ATF rules. Featureless configuration, no BB, removable mag.
Registration required? Yes or No
If yes please cite specific law - not Joe at the gun store.

[MountainDew]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1446236

For the sake of this thread and the OP's question, I will only focus on NON-BBAW Self-made firearms made prior to 7/1/18.


See below for actual regs, however a featureless 80% with regular mag release, with serial numbers in accordance with atf but not assigned by doj must be registered via CRIS prior to 7/1/18 if you want to be legal.

According to 11 CCR 5508, 11CCR 5505 does not apply to your firearm if you satisfy one of the following.

11 CCR 5508 (C) Is the VOLREG via CRIS requirement and (1) and (2) tell you that you can use your own serial # and how it must be applied to the firearm.

Again IANAL.



11 CCR 5505
Title and Scope.
This chapter shall be known as the “Department of Justice Regulations for Firearms: Identifying Information and the Unique Serial Number Application Process for Self-Manufactured or SelfAssembled Firearms,” may be cited as such and is referred to herein as “these regulations.” The provisions of these regulations shall apply to an individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm before July 1, 2018 that is not recorded with the Department of Justice (Department), and shall also apply to an individual who intends to manufacture or assemble a firearm on or after July 1, 2018. The individual in each situation shall make a request to the Department to obtain a unique serial number for the individual’s unrecorded self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm. These regulations apply to self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms made from any material, including wood, metal, or plastic, and made through any process, including those produced by 3D printers. These regulations do not apply to a firearm that satisfies one or more criterion of Penal Code section 29181.

11 CCR 5508
Firearms Not Affected by This Chapter Pursuant to Penal Code Section 29181.
The following firearms are not affected by these regulations and do not have to be recorded withthe Department:
(a) A self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm containing a serial number assigned to it pursuant to Penal Code section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(b) A firearm that was self-manufactured or self-assembled prior to December 16, 1968, as long as the firearm is not a handgun.
(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department.
(1) This serial number or mark of identification is typically one that was created by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm; therefore, it is not a serial number or mark of identification that was issued by the Department.
(2) This serial number or other mark of identification shall be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or permanently placed on the firearm in a conspicuous location.
(d) A firearm containing a serial number pursuant to Chapter 53 of Title 26 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto. Hence, if the individual’s firearm already has a serial number issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee, whether it is an already functionally complete firearm or just a receiver or frame by itself, the individual does not have to reapply for a Department-issued unique serial number.
(e) A firearm that is a curio, relic, or an antique firearm.

11 CCR 5509
Persons Affected by These Regulations.
This article applies to the following:
(a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm as of July 1, 2018; and
(b) An individual who intends to manufacture or assemble a firearm on or after July 1, 2018.

11 CCR 5510
Effective Dates.
(a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm that has not yet been recorded with the Department shall:
(1) Beginning on July 1, 2018, apply to the Department to request a unique serial number to record the firearm with the Department. The individual shall submit an electronic application to request a serial number for the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm to the Department before January 1, 2019.
(b) As of July 1, 2018, no individual shall manufacture or assemble a firearm unless the individual applies to the Department for a unique serial number prior to manufacturing or assembling the firearm.

11 CCR 5519
Special Requirements for Engraving, Casting, Stamping (Impressing), or Placing the Unique Serial Number on a Self-Manufactured or Self-Assembled Firearm Made from Polymer Plastic.
A firearm manufactured or assembled from polymer plastic shall contain its unique serial number on 3.7 ounces of material type 17-4 PH stainless steel. This stainless steel piece shall be embedded within the plastic receiver or frame upon the firearm’s manufacture or assembly.

[M1NM]

Which form? CRIS has no category for 80%

Help Me Identify Which Report I Need

Assault Weapon Registration (Assembly Bill 1135/Senate Bill 880) ($15.00 processing fee)
Pursuant to California Penal Code section 30900(b), any person from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2016, who lawfully possesses an assault weapon(s) that does not have a fixed magazine as defined in Penal Code section 30515 and including those with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, shall register the firearm with the Department of Justice before June 30, 2018.

Firearm Ownership Report ($19.00 processing fee)
Pursuant to California Penal Code section 28000, any person who is not required by law to report the acquisition or ownership of a firearm, or any person who is otherwise exempt from the requirement of conducting a transfer through a licensed firearms dealer, may report ownership of a firearm to the Department of Justice by submitting a Firearm Ownership Report.


New Resident Firearm Ownership Report ($19.00 processing fee)

As defined by California Penal Code sections 17000 and 27560, a personal firearm importer is any person who moves into California with a firearm that was acquired from outside of this state and who intends to own and possess the firearm in California. A personal firearm importer is required to report ownership of their firearms by submitting a New Resident Firearm Ownership Report within sixty (60) days of bringing the firearms into California.


Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report ($19.00 processing fee)

Pursuant to California Penal Code section 27966, persons residing in California who possess a Collector of Curios and Relics Federal Firearms License and a valid Certificate of Eligibility may lawfully acquire curio or relic long guns from non-licensees without completing the transfer through a licensed firearms dealer. The person obtaining or taking possession of the firearms is required to submit a Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report within thirty (30) days of taking possession of the long gun.


Curio or Relic Firearm Report ($19.00 processing fee)

Pursuant to California Penal Code section 27565, persons residing in California who possess a Collector of Curios and Relics Federal Firearms License may acquire a curio and relic firearm while outside of California and subsequently transport the firearm into California. The person is required to submit a Curio or Relic Firearm Report within five (5) days of transporting the firearm into California.


Report of Operation of Law ($19.00 processing fee)

Pursuant to California Penal Code sections 16990 and 27920, a person that is at least 18 years of age and who has a valid Firearm Safety Certificate may take title or possession of a firearm by Operation of Law, in-lieu of completing the transfer through a licensed firearms dealer. Some examples of Operation of Law include an executor or administrator of an estate, spouses, trustee in bankruptcy, etc. The person obtaining or taking possession of the firearm is required to submit a Report of Operation of Law within thirty (30) days of taking possession of the firearm.


Report of Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction ($19.00 processing fee)

Pursuant to Penal Code sections 16720 and 27875, a person that is at least 18 years of age and who has a valid Firearm Safety Certificate may take title or possession of a firearm by gift, bequest, intestate succession or by other means from an immediate family member, in-lieu of completing the transfer through a licensed firearms dealer provided that the transfer is infrequent and that the Report of Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction is submitted within thirty (30) days of the transfer.


Law Enforcement Gun Release Application ($20.00 for the first firearm, and $3.00 for each additional firearm)

Pursuant to Penal Code section 33850, any person who claims ownership of a firearm that is in the custody or control of a court or law enforcement agency, and who wishes to have the firearm returned, is required to submit a Law Enforcement Gun Release Application. Applicants must provide documentation from the law enforcement agency or court with this application to qualify for the waiver of fees.

[Quiet]

Which form? CRIS has no category for 80%

Help Me Identify Which Report I Need

Firearm Ownership Report ($19.00 processing fee)
Pursuant to California Penal Code section 28000, any person who is not required by law to report the acquisition or ownership of a firearm, or any person who is otherwise exempt from the requirement of conducting a transfer through a licensed firearms dealer, may report ownership of a firearm to the Department of Justice by submitting a Firearm Ownership Report.

Until 07-01-2018, use the Firearm Ownership Report to voluntarily register your self-assembled/manufactured firearm which has your own markings engraved on it.
^This would make it meet the requirement in 11 CCR 5508(c).


11 CCR 5508
(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department.
(1) This serial number or mark of identification is typically one that was created by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm; therefore, it is not a serial number or mark of identification that was issued by the Department.
(2) This serial number or other mark of identification shall be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or permanently placed on the firearm in a conspicuous location.

[Thekoz]

5508,C, 1
Does this mean I could assign my own serial number to a weapon I assembled? If so how do I register it?

[bm-bill]

Yes prior to July 1st you can assign your own number as long as you are not registering it as an assault weapon (assault weapons require doj issued number).

You voluntarily register out with doj through the cfars system.

[TriggerHappy86]

Chiming in, not trying to thread crap, but my situation is similar. I think I understand how it applies to me, but would like some confirmation.

I am the third owner of an AR-15 lower that was previously an 80%, but was serialized by the original Unlicensed Subject and transfered via PPT to the second owner who later PPT'd it to me and is now featureless . Thus, it does not need to acquire a DOJ issued serial number since it is in the centralized registry and NOT being registered as a CA BB AW, right?

(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department.

[shaocaholica]

Chiming in, not trying to thread crap, but my situation is similar. I think I understand how it applies to me, but would like some confirmation.

I am the third owner of an AR-15 lower that was previously an 80%, but was serialized by the original Unlicensed Subject and transfered via PPT to the second owner who later PPT'd it to me and is now featureless . Thus, it does not need to acquire a DOJ issued serial number since it is in the centralized registry and NOT being registered as a CA BB AW, right?

(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department.

It's already in the system from either a volreg from the original owner or the first PPT DROS. You don't have to do anything but you should hold onto your DROS paperwork for it if you still have it.