Collapsible Batons

[P5Ret]

Batons are really not that effective... especially used within a department policy.

As I understand it, many carry collapsible baton to check a department box that they will carry a baton. They don't carry a collapsible as they are awesome for pain compliance. They carry one as it is policy.

I tried it for about 2 weeks, until we dealt with a bar fight in a biker bar, (and the parking lot, and the middle of the road) in town, and found it not nearly as effective as my good old 29" straight stick. It went back into the locker, and never saw the dark of night again on my belt.

[enorbit3]

Thanks for the replies. Sad to see the state of affairs. A homeless person can take a dump on the sidewalk in front of my apartment building in Toluca Lake ( of all places), but i cant carry a baton in my car. This state sucks.

Will look into the other options y'all mentioned.

[P5Ret]

Thanks for the replies. Sad to see the state of affairs. A homeless person can take a dump on the sidewalk in front of my apartment building in Toluca Lake ( of all places), but i cant carry a baton in my car. This state sucks.

Will look into the other options y'all mentioned.

They aren't inexpensive, but you'll get a cane that you can carry anywhere that will do the job of protecting yourself. I've got one for when my knee acts up. It's a hell of a lot sturdier than the one I got from from the Dr. after the last surgery.

https://canemasters.com/

[LuckyGuy]

Wellllll

I do not even think about it. I own 2 Collapsible Batons that I bought when I was a Security Officer. I got the permit and carried them for years. Now that I am retired, I will not get rid of them. I payed good money for them and sense my permit never expired. Everything must be still good.

[RANGER295]

Batons are really not that effective... especially used within a department policy.

As I understand it, many carry collapsible baton to check a department box that they will carry a baton. They don't carry a collapsible as they are awesome for pain compliance. They carry one as it is policy.

I have a friend that was in an OIS. He did not have his baton on him because he says it is useless. They made a big issue out of the fact he had did not have it there fore he did not have that less lethal option. It was a clean shoot and he ended up being fine but he carries it now so he can say he had the option but it was not the right one.

[CandG]

I do not even think about it. I own 2 Collapsible Batons that I bought when I was a Security Officer. I got the permit and carried them for years. Now that I am retired, I will not get rid of them. I payed good money for them and sense my permit never expired. Everything must be still good.

CA is cool with me carrying up to 3 loaded handguns on myself at the same time, but they're terrified at the thought of me having a baton.

[Number Six]

If a cane is good to go, how about valaska or shepherds axe? Legal? It is used as a cane/walking stick as well as a utility axe.

[sonofeugene]

They aren't inexpensive, but you'll get a cane that you can carry anywhere that will do the job of protecting yourself. I've got one for when my knee acts up. It's a hell of a lot sturdier than the one I got from from the Dr. after the last surgery.


https://canemasters.com/

Had mine custom made but his off the shelf products are excellent as well. He also offers training.

[Quiet]

If a cane is good to go, how about valaska or shepherds axe? Legal? It is used as a cane/walking stick as well as a utility axe.

It could be considered a "leaded cane"; which is illegal (felony) to import, make, transfer, or possess in CA.
^It depends on how much the CA LEO that encounters it, wants to jam you up for it.

[hermosabeach]

Side track

It could be considered a "leaded cane"; which is illegal (felony) to import, make, transfer, or possess in CA.
^It depends on how much the CA LEO that encounters it, wants to jam you up for it.

How would one charge that as a leaded cane?

I can see other charges for wandering with an axe, machete, ho etc.



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PENAL CODE - PEN
PART 6. CONTROL OF DEADLY WEAPONS [16000 - 34370] ( Part 6 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
TITLE 3. WEAPONS AND DEVICES OTHER THAN FIREARMS [19910 - 23025] ( Title 3 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
DIVISION 8. SAPS AND SIMILAR WEAPONS [22210 - 22295] ( Division 8 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
22210.
Except as provided in Section 22215 and Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses

any leaded cane, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag, sandclub, sap, or slungshot, is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170

[CandG]

I knew a guy years ago who got arrested, charged, AND convicted of carrying a baton, for having a simple wooden dowel laying on his backseat. It was for propping up the hood on his junker car that didn't have a proper hood prop. But he was on probation, and the officer was uncomfortable with him having something within his reach that even remotely resembled a baton, so off to jail he went - arrested and charged only for the "baton", nothing else.

So be careful, because it's not just about the object itself, it's also about the circumstances, how you use it, and honestly, whether the officer and DA like you or not.

[Quiet]

any leaded cane, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag, sandclub, sap, or slungshot, is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170

"leaded cane" = any cane that is weighted/strengthed with metal so that it can be used for striking.