Returning to Ca with ammo

[wannabefree]

Because they are non-residents of CA, they can legally bring any amount of non-prohibited ammo to CA for personal use.

However...
If they transfer any of their ammo to a CA resident, then legally, it needs to be done through a CA licensed ammo vendor.

So say I have a cousin in Reno Nevada who visits me in Northern California often. Can I just have him go and purchase what ever ammo I want and bring it with him and while he is here just go to my local FFL and pay the $10 transfer fee and he hands it over to me. Sounds silly but Legal.

[Chewy65]

So say I have a cousin in Reno Nevada who visits me in Northern California often. Can I just have him go and purchase what ever ammo I want and bring it with him and while he is here just go to my local FFL and pay the $10 transfer fee and he hands it over to me. Sounds silly but Legal.

Probably not legal, since you stipulate that your cousin is purchasing it for you out of state. If treated as such, an offense occurs as soon as the ammunition crosses the border into CA.

[warbird]

walmarts in some areas have already stopped selling any ammo. The one in Orangevale stopped selling it a while back. Pellet gun ammo is all that is available.

[freonr22]

Purchased in CA via the internet just not delivered to a CA address.
Taken possession - did he visit brother before the law took effect and take possession?
Why hasn't anyone challenged this under the interstate commerce clause yet????

when does possession occur? does it make a difference if the freight 8s prepaid? or prepaid and add? or collect?

I know for HVAC units its ppd and we take possession, as soon as on the truck, regardless of we ever received the items..just food for thought. inal

But can we get a legal definition of when possession occurs?

[DolphinFan]

You can reload as much as you can afford. Buy bullets, shells, primers, cases and gunpowder. No limit to what you can have delivered by USPS.

[gimebakmybulits]

Because they are non-residents of CA, they can legally bring any amount of non-prohibited ammo to CA for personal use.

However...
If they transfer any of their ammo to a CA resident, then legally, it needs to be done through a CA licensed ammo vendor.

Since I am not a lawyer, can you please show me the CA PC that describes transfers (not sales) such as gifting being required to be handled via a CA licensed ammo vendor?
I can find the FTF part
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor,
but I can only find "sales" being required to handled via a LAV
(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.
Again, not being a lawyer it seems very clear as to what must happen when a "sale" occurs but gifts seem to be exempt.
Thanks

[Quiet]

Since I am not a lawyer, can you please show me the CA PC that describes transfers (not sales) such as gifting being required to be handled via a CA licensed ammo vendor?
I can find the FTF part
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor,
but I can only find "sales" being required to handled via a LAV
(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.
Again, not being a lawyer it seems very clear as to what must happen when a "sale" occurs but gifts seem to be exempt.
Thanks

"sale" = "transfer of ownership" [PC 30312(b) and 30352(a)]



Penal Code 30312
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.

Penal Code 30352
(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice:

[kakinuma-kun]

Ironically, as is the case with most unreasonable gun control laws, it is only the lawful who torture themselves with the mental gymnastics necessary to remain lawful.

[gimebakmybulits]

"sale" = "transfer of ownership" [PC 30312(b) and 30352(a)]



Penal Code 30312
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.

Penal Code 30352
(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice:

I'm sorry, are you telling me that a gift is really a "sale" or in some way an act of selling? If so please show me the PC because you are pointing to two separate situations.

[freonr22]

when does possession occur? does it make a difference if the freight 8s prepaid? or prepaid and add? or collect?

I know for HVAC units its ppd and we take possession, as soon as on the truck, regardless of we ever received the items..just food for thought. inal

But can we get a legal definition of when possession occurs?

thoughts?

my point, can the state redefine a fed definition of possession?

[Intel0116]

If your seriously worried about this do the following:
pull over about 10 feet from the California state line, unload all your ammo on the side of the road, drive 10 feet in to California then pull over again. Now walk over in to Nevada where you left your ammo and bring it back 50 rounds at a time until you have no ammo left in Nevada. You have legally imported ammo. Problem solved.

[gimebakmybulits]

If your seriously worried about this do the following:
pull over about 10 feet from the California state line, unload all your ammo on the side of the road, drive 10 feet in to California then pull over again. Now walk over in to Nevada where you left your ammo and bring it back 50 rounds at a time until you have no ammo left in Nevada. You have legally imported ammo. Problem solved.

I'm not sure that would be legal considering this.
30314. (a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
Plus why bother when there are obvious legal ways when you look at all the exemptions.

[Intel0116]

I'm not sure that would be legal considering this.
30314. (a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
Plus why bother when there are obvious legal ways when you look at all the exemptions.

Your correct, I forgot prop 63 killed that one.

[Intel0116]

Your correct, I forgot prop 63 killed that one.

Do this instead, gift it to your wife, or child, and have them sell it back to you for $1. Problem solved part 2