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  • rtl
    Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 304

    Moving to CA from WA, AR pistol laws?

    Hey guys,

    So my brother is trying to move back to CA from Washington. If he buys a pistol lower in Washington, can he bring it back to Cali and build it into a pistol?

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    adchrome
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    • Mar 2013
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    Ca sux, we're all moving from this commie state. .save yourself

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    • #3
      Strykeback
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2012
      • 1574

      Originally posted by rtl
      Hey guys,

      So my brother is trying to move back to CA from Washington. If he buys a pistol lower in Washington, can he bring it back to Cali and build it into a pistol?

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      If it turns out to be legal he should definitely bring a few...

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      • #4
        solidfreshdope
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2016
        • 808

        If he has residency in a state where an AR pistol is legal to own, then he can bring it in as an off roster gun when he moves to CA - it will need to be in a non-assault weapon configuration to remain legal in this state (CA) meaning fixed mag requiring separation of the action to remove.


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          solidfreshdope
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          • Jun 2016
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          Welcome to the United Snakes.

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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30241

            Originally posted by rtl
            So my brother is trying to move back to CA from Washington. If he buys a pistol lower in Washington, can he bring it back to Cali and build it into a pistol?
            Yes. It is legal for a new resident of CA to import a handgun receiver/frame (this includes AR pistol lower).

            However...

            Because of CA unsafe handgun laws and CA assault weapons laws, after he moves to CA, he can only use the handgun receiver/frame to legally make a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or a dimensionally complaint break-top single-shot pistol.

            If he wants to make the handgun receiver/frame into a semi-auto pistol, then he needs to do that before he moves to CA.
            ^Resulting firearm needs to be CA legal (can not be considered an assault weapon or generally prohibited weapon) prior to importation into CA.
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            • #7
              RickD427
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              • Jan 2007
              • 9259

              Originally posted by Quiet
              Yes. It is legal for a new resident of CA to import a handgun receiver/frame (this includes AR pistol lower).

              However...

              Because of CA unsafe handgun laws and CA assault weapons laws, after he moves to CA, he can only use the handgun receiver/frame to legally make a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or a dimensionally complaint break-top single-shot pistol.

              If he wants to make the handgun receiver/frame into a semi-auto pistol, then he needs to do that before he moves to CA.
              ^Resulting firearm needs to be CA legal (can not be considered an assault weapon or generally prohibited weapon) prior to importation into CA.
              ^^^THIS^^^^

              So long as California has no basis to consider him as a returning resident (to preclude application of PC 27585), he can bring any lawfully configured handguns (without regard to the roster) with him and then register them within 60 days as a "New Resident."

              Things get a little complicated due to the AW statutes. The OP's brother could lawfully import a completed AR pistol having a fixed magazine that complies with PC 30515(a)(8)(B) and is not built on an "Evil by Name" lower.

              But if he brings in just the lower, then the options for completing it are just as Quiet has stated.
              Last edited by RickD427; 04-01-2018, 10:21 AM.
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              • #8
                rtl
                Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 304

                Originally posted by Quiet
                Yes. It is legal for a new resident of CA to import a handgun receiver/frame (this includes AR pistol lower).

                However...

                Because of CA unsafe handgun laws and CA assault weapons laws, after he moves to CA, he can only use the handgun receiver/frame to legally make a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or a dimensionally complaint break-top single-shot pistol.

                If he wants to make the handgun receiver/frame into a semi-auto pistol, then he needs to do that before he moves to CA.
                ^Resulting firearm needs to be CA legal (can not be considered an assault weapon or generally prohibited weapon) prior to importation into CA.
                Okay so the only way for the pistol to come down here and remain a semi auto break top, is to bring it down completed with an upper? (And the maglock of course).

                Otherwise stripped pistol lowers can come down here, but can only be made into SINGLE shot break top pistol?

                Thanks for the replies everyone.

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                • #9
                  rtl
                  Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 304

                  Originally posted by RickD427
                  ^^^THIS^^^^

                  So long as California has no basis to consider him as a returning resident (to preclude application of PC 27585), he can bring any lawfully configured handguns (without regard to the roster) with him and then register them within 60 days as a "New Resident."

                  Things get a little complicated due to the AW statutes. The OP's brother could lawfully import an AR pistol having a fixed magazine that complies with PC 30515(a)(8)(B) and is not built on an "Evil by Name" lower.
                  Hey Rick,

                  Under what circumstances would Cali consider someone a returning resident?

                  So my brother moved there to go to University of Washington for graduate school, and he's been living there for 5 or 6 years now. He has a Washington license so he can purchase all of the free stuff (he's got an SBR and a can).

                  Thanks

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                  • #10
                    Quiet
                    retired Goon
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 30241

                    Originally posted by rtl
                    Okay so the only way for the pistol to come down here and remain a semi auto break top, is to bring it down completed with an upper? (And the maglock of course).

                    Otherwise stripped pistol lowers can come down here, but can only be made into SINGLE shot break top pistol?
                    Correct.
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                    • #11
                      Quiet
                      retired Goon
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 30241

                      Originally posted by rtl
                      Under what circumstances would Cali consider someone a returning resident?

                      So my brother moved there to go to University of Washington for graduate school, and he's been living there for 5 or 6 years now. He has a Washington license so he can purchase all of the free stuff (he's got an SBR and a can).
                      Any of the following could make it so CA would still considered him a CA resident:
                      A. He retained his CA DL or CA ID.
                      B. He is still registered to vote in CA.
                      C. He has a CA property deed/title/mortgage.
                      D. He is paying CA income tax.
                      E. He has employment in CA.
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                      • #12
                        RickD427
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                        • Jan 2007
                        • 9259

                        Originally posted by rtl
                        Hey Rick,

                        Under what circumstances would Cali consider someone a returning resident?

                        So my brother moved there to go to University of Washington for graduate school, and he's been living there for 5 or 6 years now. He has a Washington license so he can purchase all of the free stuff (he's got an SBR and a can).

                        Thanks

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                        rtl,

                        Please refer to Penal Code section 17000(b)(1), which is gonna refer you to Vehicle Code section 12505.

                        The short version is that if your brother had the intent to return to California while he was in Washington, and maintained something that could be considered a home in California, then California's likely to call him a resident.
                        Last edited by RickD427; 04-01-2018, 11:13 AM.
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                        • #13
                          rtl
                          Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 304

                          Originally posted by RickD427
                          rtl,

                          Please refer to Penal Code section 17000(b)(1), which is gonna refer you to Vehicle Code section 12505.

                          The short version is that if your brother had the intent to return to California while he was in Washington, and maintained something that could be considered a home in California, then California's likely to call him a resident.
                          Gotcha, only recently did he decide to think about moving down here. He has no property down here as far as I know.

                          Thanks for the help everyone!

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                          • #14
                            Blade Gunner
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                            • Mar 2013
                            • 4422

                            This may work.
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