Overall rifle length requirement?

[My375hp302]

What is the specified length for a non-semi auto rifle? Do they use the federal length at 26" and how is that measured? The reason I ask is Im curious about a straight pull type AK rifle with a folding stock. Penal code section 30515(a)(3) list out 30 inches in its shortest configuration, but it also specifies semi auto. I couldn't find anything addressing folding stocks on non semi auto rifles.

[CandG]

26" is the minimum length for a non-semiauto rifle. (Also the barrel must be 16" minimum.)

The 26" overall length is more strict than the Federal SBR law, because the overall length is measured as the shortest configuration from which it can be fired (the stock completely folded or collapsed, if applicable). The federal measurement is taken with the stock fully extended.

[My375hp302]

So as long as its 26" folded, non semi auto its good to go then?

[CandG]

So as long as its 26" folded, non semi auto its good to go then?

Correct. The barrel also needs to be at least 16", regardless of the overall length.

[jvrotter]

Does the 30" limit apply to RAWs?

[CandG]

Does the 30" limit apply to RAWs?

30" only seems to apply to semi-auto, not-RAW rifles, as far as the law is written.

[Quiet]

Barrel length is measured by inserting a rod into the barrel until the rod stops against the closed bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and measured. [11 CCR 5471(d)]

Overall length is with the firearm in the shortest possible configuration that will discharge a cartridge (i.e. stock folded/collapsed) and measured from the end of the barrel, or permanently attached muzzle device to that part of the stock that is furthest from the end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. [11 CCR 5471(x)]


Summary on length for rifles:
Minimum barrel length = 16" [PC 17170(a)]
Minimum overall length for rifles that are registered assault weapons = 26" [PC 17170(b)]
Minimum overall length for bolt-action rifles = 26" [PC 17170(b)]
Minimum overall length for lever-action rifles = 26" [PC 17170(b)]
Minimum overall length for pump-action rifles = 26" [PC 17170(b)]
Minimum overall length for semi-auto centerfire rifles = 30" [PC 30515(a)(3)]
Minimum overall length for semi-auto rimfire rifles = 26" [PC 17170(b)]
Minimum overall length for single-shot rifles = 26" [PC 17170(b)]

Summary on length for shotguns:
Minimum barrel length = 18" [PC 17180(a)]
Minimum overall length for shotguns that are registered assault weapons = 26" [PC 17180(b)]
Minimum overall length for bolt-action rifles = 26" [PC 17180(b)]
Minimum overall length for lever-action rifles = 26" [PC 17180(b)]
Minimum overall length for pump-action rifles = 26" [PC 17180(b)]
Minimum overall length of semi-auto shotguns = 26" [PC 17180(b)]
Minimum overall length for single-shot rifles = 26" [PC 17180(b)]

[CandG]

my375hp302, That was true, until last year when DOJ decided to start requiring muzzle devices to be permanently attached if the rifle would not meet the OAL requirement without it.

Just another example of DOJ inventing laws as they go. Yes, it's ridiculous, and probably illegal for them to do this - CRPA/NRA have already filed suit, but until/unless something happens with that, we kind of have to comply with it if we want to remain legal.

[My375hp302]

11 CCR 5471 specifically applies to "assault weapons". Section X specifically calls for a 30" oal. The rifle in question is neither semi auto nor an "assault weapon". Nowhere else in the PC calls for a muzzle device to be "permanently attached" on a bolt action, lever action, or pump action, with respect to measuring OAL. Thoughts?

[Dump1567]

Overall length is with the firearm in the shortest possible configuration that will discharge a cartridge (i.e. stock folded/collapsed) and measured from the end of the barrel, or permanently attached muzzle device to that part of the stock that is furthest from the end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. [11 CCR 5471(x)]

This will be a huge trap for some people. I noticed my Yugo underfolder is under 26" folded if you remove the muzzle device.

I think I found my solution. I had to bend it straight though.

**Photo's taken from the internet**

[CandG]

^ that's good thinking.

Only the muzzle device needs to be permanent - things on the backside don't.

[My375hp302]

As written I dont think that section applies to a non semi auto rifle, but....I'd hate to be a test case, especially when doj seems to believe they have the ability to write their own laws through their "interpretations". Better safe than sorry.

[mshill]

As written I dont think that section applies to a non semi auto rifle, but....I'd hate to be a test case, especially when doj seems to believe they have the ability to write their own laws through their "interpretations". Better safe than sorry.

It's not up to the DOJ, it's up to the DAs in each county. They can't put into the law or regs language that is not there.