AR Maglock

[batman3n1]

I bought two of these and was wondering... does anybody know with any certainty if the AR Maglock is going to be sufficient to keep from having to register as assault weapon? Thanks

[thmpr]

DOJ has not approved any fixed mag system to date...

[Uncivil Engineer]

DOJ has not approved any fixed mag system to date...

And they won't until compelled to in court.

[lapriester]

You may have wasted your money. You'd have been better off going full featureless.......whatever that is. Nothing, as yet, is written in stone and getting suckered by all the questionable marketing going on may just leave you with useless devices, money in their pockets, and you carrying around an illegal AW with a bunch of junk hanging on it. This "crap" is everywhere and based on the workarounds in other states. Personally, I think the introduction of all these devices has given the DOJ insights into possible workarounds they will probably designate as invalid. I wouldn't buy ANY of these things unless I was guaranteed a refund if they are not DOJ approved in the end. I suggest starting to ask for that before purchasing before you possibly spend $100's on trash that does nothing but make your rifle harder to operate.

[batman3n1]

So the DOJ has to approve workarounds? I was under the impression that the new law was only to do with having to open the action in order to drop the mag. Whatever is installed in order to make that happen has to be DOJ approved? I didn't know that. Did they have to approve the bullet button? Again, I only thought that it was a work around someone came up with to address having to use a tool to release the mag. Guess I need educating.

[clb]

Have you met doj yet??

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Op. There is a member here who tried to register his AR maglock equipped AR as a "assault weapon". DOJ refused to register it because they said it wasnt an AW. Call me crazy but I think that's a pretty good indication that it is GTG. I also believe gun stores have been selling AR maglock equipped AR's also. Another pretty good indicator of it being a legal configuration.

Update. Found the post.


"I have ARMagLock on 2 of my ARs that I tried to register. "

"Mr. xxx, based on the photos provided your firearms do not have bullet buttons, but instead have fixed magazines. This characteristic is why your firearms are not considered assault weapons. Please refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5472(d), "The Department will not register a firearm as an assault weapon if the firearm has a fixed magazine that hold 10 rounds or less."

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=21361947&postcount=300

[jimmer46]

Law enforcement & featureless

There are now dozens of magazine locking devices on the market.

Has anyone had an encounter with law enforcement that questioned the legality of those devices? How about featureless in general?

My AR's are featureless and I wonder how up to speed law enforcement is with the featureless concept.

[K001]

My 2+ cents -

My Spikes Tactical AR pistol works just fine with the AR Maglock https://www.armaglock2.com/ and MA Loader https://www.meanarms.com/products/de...oader-for-ar15 to facilitate quick/easy loading...CA legal per fixed mag requirements as written...can't stand featureless.

[mshill]

There are now dozens of magazine locking devices on the market.

Has anyone had an encounter with law enforcement that questioned the legality of those devices? How about featureless in general?

My AR's are featureless and I wonder how up to speed law enforcement is with the featureless concept.

In order to answer your questions, there has to be some volume of interactions with LEOs AND those interactions need to involve LEOs that have reason and motivation to actually inspect your weapons. These types of interactions seems to be extremely rare. Additionally, if you consider that you don't even need to convert your BB to fixed magazine until July there is really not a whole lot of reason for LEOs to be checking for compliance at this point in time.

Here's my take on it.... We now have

1) Listed RAWs from before 1994 with standard magazine releases
2) Featured RAWs from before 2000 with standard magazine releases
3) Featured RAWs from 2016 with BB magazine releases
4) Featureless SACF rifles since 2000 with standard magazine releases
5) Featured SACF rifles since 2016 with magazine that can be removed when the action is opened.
6) Featured SACF rifles since cerca 2000 with a truly fixed magazine that are reloaded by breaking the action open or utilizing injection port loaders.

When looking at the complexity of the above, Law Enforcement Officers will fall into two camps:
a) They don't care what you are shooting as long as you are not breaking laws or acting in an unsafe manner.
b) The identification of an AW is too complicated and they are going to take it, and make you jump through hoops to get it back, legal or not.

You simply will not find answers to your questions here. My test is, if you walk into your LGS and its on their wall, for sale to the general public, it would be hard for any DA to get a conviction if they are being sold right under their noses. I have not heard of an LGS being harassed for featureless or fixed magazine rifles they have for sale.

[jimmer46]

Thanks mshill

Thanks,
I guess a certain level of uncertainty comes with living in California.

[Saym14]

Thanks,
I guess a certain level of uncertainty comes with living in California.

its a very high level of uncertainty.

[clb]

Mshill's post should be enough evidence in court to toss out the case!
PERIOD.
THIS IS what doj and sac. Want , for us to have no clue and give up.

[559BearDown]

I'd go with the Maglock since our overlords are already eyeing a featureless ban. Of course the Maglock couldn't be far behind either.

[hardhead]

I have maglocks and the Frankford Arsenal fixed mag. I prefer the FA, as it makes me feel less vulnerable. In order to remove the magazine, you must punch out the bolt catch roll pin. Takes less than 5 minutes to remove and replace the bolt catch when outside of CA.

With the AR Maglock, I hear people talking about red loctite and drilling out the hex head to make it "permanent", making it much more difficult to remove when outside CA.

The only thing I absolutely hate about featureless is the grip.. I can deal with the fixed stock and compensator, but the stupid fin grip is very awkward and I'm not paying $100+ for a Thordsen, only to have to ditch my Magpul furniture.