Carrying on private business

[tonyt22]

What's the legality of carrying on private business property if the business owner has giving me consent he is leasing the land and building and he would like a armed guard do I need any special permit to be hired as a guard?

[9mmContagion]

Inside is G2G, outside is a no go. Same as your home. But make sure your employer has a good insurance policy to protect you... last thing you want is to protect yourself and find out that your employer has nothing to back you

[Cokebottle]

Inside is G2G,

Only in areas not accessible to customers.

Yes, this is violated every day in every gun store in California, but strictly speaking, behind the counter and in the stockroom, what the owner says goes.
But the owner can not legally give you permission to (nor himself) carry on the sales floor other than legal CCW with a permit.

[9mmContagion]

Only in areas not accessible to customers.

Yes, this is violated every day in every gun store in California, but strictly speaking, behind the counter and in the stockroom, what the owner says goes.
But the owner can not legally give you permission to (nor himself) carry on the sales floor other than legal CCW with a permit.

Interesting tid-bit! Thanks for clarifying Cokebottle

[RickD427]

Inside is G2G, outside is a no go. Same as your home. But make sure your employer has a good insurance policy to protect you... last thing you want is to protect yourself and find out that your employer has nothing to back you

This one is quite incorrect. If the business is open to the public, and you carry, you can be charged with CCW if the weapon is concealed, Carrying a Loaded Weapon if loaded, and Open Carry unless you're in a permitted area.

Only in areas not accessible to customers.

Yes, this is violated every day in every gun store in California, but strictly speaking, behind the counter and in the stockroom, what the owner says goes.
But the owner can not legally give you permission to (nor himself) carry on the sales floor other than legal CCW with a permit.

^^^THIS^^^

The laws governing the carrying concealed weapons, loaded weapons, and open carry of unloaded weapons are not affected by the private or public ownership of the property.

What matters is whether the location is "public" or not. Many privately owned properties are "public" locations.

[Cokebottle]

Ya, public access is the key.
Private businesses are quite different from private residences.

[tonyt22]

This is a car dealership and they would like open carry so I'm assuming it's a no go

[Cokebottle]

This is a car dealership and they would like open carry so I'm assuming it's a no go

Absolutely not.
Especially a business with an outdoor component.

Even with a private residence, you can carry inside with permission (or your own home) but you can't carry in the front yard.

And ya... I'd feel the need in Hesperia as well.

My recommendation would be to apply for a CCW, assuming that you and the rest of the staff live in the area.
If there's nothing funky in your background or lifestyle, you'll be approved.
BUT... San Bernardino does not allow CCW to be used for employment.
By "for" that means as a condition of or a part of the job.
You MAY carry while working for personal protection.

And ONLY for personal protection... you can't defend the inventory.

[tonyt22]

Thanks I'll break the news to them maybe I'll stand guard with a sword
Yea I'm submitting a app in the next few weeks worse thing I got is a illegal left hand turn so I'm hoping I'm good

[P5Ret]

What's the legality of carrying on private business property if the business owner has giving me consent he is leasing the land and building and he would like a armed guard do I need any special permit to be hired as a guard?

Do you have a guard card? If not you can not legally be hired as a guard, even then you would need to be hired by a licensed agency. The liability risk to you and the business owner is huge without the proper licensing. Many IA's will not issue a LTC for you to use at work as a guard.

[tonyt22]

didn't even think about a guard card glad I don't need the work because this side job just went to hell

[Quiet]

... he would like a armed guard do I need any special permit to be hired as a guard?

In order to legally work as an armed guard in CA, you will need...
... a valid BSIS guard card.
... a valid BSIS gun card, if armed with a firearm.
... a valid BSIS baton card, if armed with a baton.
... a valid BSIS tear gas card, if armed with pepper spray.
... to be employed by a security guard company with a contract for the business or own/operate a private patrol operation with a contract for the business.

[Chewy65]

If you are employed as an armed guard that is one thing but if you are employed as a car salesman or something else, and the company likes the idea of you carrying may be another. I don't know. Anyway, it sounds like they are hiring you as a guard.

[BAJ475]

Only in areas not accessible to customers.

Yes, this is violated every day in every gun store in California, but strictly speaking, behind the counter and in the stockroom, what the owner says goes.
But the owner can not legally give you permission to (nor himself) carry on the sales floor other than legal CCW with a permit.

[Creampuff]

having a loaded firearm on that property." [Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. (SB 1080) Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711]

Not sure but I think this is regarding possession = having, as opposed to carrying.