How to keep a bullpup legal in 2017?

[M1NM]

......looks like under 30 inch OAL without a fixed muzzle device is an AW. .

Under 30" CA has been considered an AW (see flow chart). Even though fed reg says rifle can be 26". Welded muzzle device is only required if it's needed to make the barrel 16".

[allright]

Welded muzzle device is also required if it's making OAL => 30".

[Discogodfather]

Just to clarify how things developed:

1) DOJ published BBAW regs that seemed to suggest that you needed a permanent muzzle device to register as BBAW if less than 30"
2) People registered without a permanent muzzle device, just didn't check the under 30" box and swore it was 30" in the config it was in
3) DOJ accepted these applications. They didn't (to my knowledge) ever ask anyone if the muzzle device was permanent if the barrel was 16" without it.

So they seemed to mandate something that was in fact not their policy to require for registration. Many many people report they simply did not permanently attach and it was completely GTG without any questions asked, here is your reg letter, end of story.

[sparrky]

Great job on the X95 buttpad extension...any plans on a SAR version? Thanks.

[Valegian]

Great job on the X95 buttpad extension...any plans on a SAR version? Thanks.

I hope that there are plans for the SAR version. Fingers crossed.

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[Exile Machine]

...any plans on a SAR version? Thanks.

I hope that there are plans for the SAR version.

A SAR version is planned. To keep costs low and make this work we need to find a thin buttplate similar to the IWI X95 TXP0060 part for the SAR. Would appreciate any leads on such a product.

Detail on how the butt extender is attached to the IWI X95 plate. We use a couple of flat-head M5 metric screws. The IWI thin buttplate is drilled and countersunk according to a template we will provide. M5 nuts and washers are embedded in the butt extender during the manufacturing process:

[macnlz]

I went ahead and pinned & welded the muzzle device on my Tavor X95 before registering it, just to be on the safe side.

The registration went through just fine - though they were adamant that the Tavor must be registered as fixed caliber, since it doesn't explicitly have "Multi" imprinted on the lower receiver, and the official fallback is to use any caliber found imprinted elsewhere on the firearm. Which in my case was the caliber on the interchangeable barrel.

Now that it's registered, I took a look at the OAG's official FAQ, and this caught my eye:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs#33b

[allright]

Number 33 looks very interesting. I'm interested how this will pan out.

[CandG]

Number 33 looks very interesting. I'm interested how this will pan out.

No need to wait for it to pan out - It already has. We can reduce our OAL to a minimum 26" after registration, as long as we don't break other laws (barrel must stay 16+", etc.). The laws and regulations allow for it, and the DOJ confirms it. So, it's a done deal.

You can also technically use whatever legally-owned magazines you feel like using. The legislature and DOJ thought pre-ban magazines would be illegal to possess by now, so they left that part out of the "things we're not allowed to do with our BBRAWs" list. Oops. Just be aware that using a pre-ban mag might get you some unwanted attention at the range, and many LE's might not realize they're legal to use.

[allright]

No need to wait for it to pan out - It already has. We can reduce our OAL to a minimum 26" after registration, as long as we don't break other laws (barrel must stay 16+", etc.). The laws and regulations allow for it, and the DOJ confirms it. So, it's a done deal.

You can also technically use whatever legally-owned magazines you feel like using. The legislature and DOJ thought pre-ban magazines would be illegal to possess by now, so they left that part out of the "things we're not allowed to do with our BBRAWs" list. Oops. Just be aware that using a pre-ban mag might get you some unwanted attention at the range, and many LE's might not realize they're legal to use.

I'm usually confused, and now more confused. I neutered my Tavor SAR by permanently installing a brake, adding a fin, and removed the radlock to avoid the registration. I, at some point, want to give this gun to my grandson who lives in a free state. So, why did I need to be => 30", however if I registered, it would need to be 30", and I could legally reduce the length to => 26" post registration??? Am I not understanding this correctly?

[elSquid]

A SAR version is planned. To keep costs low and make this work we need to find a thin buttplate similar to the IWI X95 TXP0060 part for the SAR. Would appreciate any leads on such a product.

Manticore has a SAR buttpad:

https://manticorearms.com/tavor-curved-buttpad

[CandG]

I'm usually confused, and now more confused. I neutered my Tavor SAR by permanently installing a brake, adding a fin, and removed the radlock to avoid the registration. I, at some point, want to give this gun to my grandson who lives in a free state. So, why did I need to be => 30", however if I registered, it would need to be 30", and I could legally reduce the length to => 26" post registration??? Am I not understanding this correctly?

You're fine, your gun is legal. In your scenario, it needs to be 30" or longer, which it is.

Only "Registered Assault Weapons" can be 26" long. All other semiauto rifles need to be 30+" long.

If it is semiauto and < 30", and it is not a registered assault weapon, then it is an unregistered assault weapon; a felony.

[shaocaholica]

You're fine, your gun is legal. In your scenario, it needs to be 30" or longer, which it is.

Only "Registered Assault Weapons" can be 26" long. All other semiauto rifles need to be 30+" long.

If it is semiauto and < 30", and it is not a registered assault weapon, then it is an unregistered assault weapon; a felony.

I'm glad they are letting us do this but its also really dumb the way it came about.

[Discogodfather]

I'm glad they are letting us do this but its also really dumb the way it came about.

It's what we were assuming, or hoping for, all along. The Eric Holder Zing! was to put that one sentence in the regs that deflated everyone's balloon- you got to keep the BB on. No explanation other than a round about circular logic argument about how you are making a different AW from the one you registered, which is an AW from an AW. Makes no sense whatsoever.

If they left that silly sentence out we would have all registered, or at least it would have been more popular. Unfortunately, they didn't want people to register, because then they would have to explain why so many AW (standard rifles) exist in CA.

But look at the other bright side- they will have to explain why we are all going around with 26" rifles.