AW Registration Guide **3/18/2021 update: Registration may re-open soon**

[Mustang]

Finally got my letter confirming the registration on all my BBAW's today.

Was a bit weird...got a letter on 6/23 confirming reg on one of them. Today received two letters, one letter confirmed the reg on most of my BBAW's, including the one covered by the letter on 6/23. Also got a letter today that confirmed reg on all of them, including the ones confirmed in the previous two letters

[bigbully]

Finally got my letter confirming the registration on all my BBAW's today.

Was a bit weird...got a letter on 6/23 confirming reg on one of them. Today received two letters, one letter confirmed the reg on most of my BBAW's, including the one covered by the letter on 6/23. Also got a letter today that confirmed reg on all of them, including the ones confirmed in the previous two letters

Did you submit them in 3 batches?

[shaocaholica]

I did each of mine separately so I’m expecting a big stack of letters.

[Rockabilly Rebel]

[QUOTE=beanz2;21850931]What I did was take out the bolt carrier and bolt out. Reassemble with the recoil spring/guide and top cover. To me, that should satifisfy DOJ's regulation which states, "semiautomatic firearms lacking a crucial part (such as a firing pin, bolt carrier, or gas tube) are also not considered "semiautomatic." But I'm not an attorney.

Thanks also Beanzs2, I like what you did above until I get it compliant. Maybe I should been more clear about that I am not in the process of registration of any of my semi-auto rifles w/ taboo features (aka AW), but looking into the lesser of evils to comply enough to take them out and play at a range or BLM land.

[Discogodfather]

What I did was take out the bolt carrier and bolt out. Reassemble with the recoil spring/guide and top cover. To me, that should satifisfy DOJ's regulation which states, "semiautomatic firearms lacking a crucial part (such as a firing pin, bolt carrier, or gas tube) are also not considered "semiautomatic." But I'm not an attorney.

I hear you, and I agree, and I appreciate the NRA-ILA bulletin and advice, but I think I have found a critical flaw in their legal logic. It might be a rare case but here is the reasoning:

1) A RAW's status as either unregistered or registered makes all the difference as to whether or not removing a BCG makes it a "non-aw".

2) If I have a pending registration (meaning no letter in hand yet) how do I know when it will appear in the registry? What is the relationship between the letter and the weapons status in the registry? I assume it's not a 1:1 thing, meaning if I get a letter the weapon was probably admitted into the registry days if not weeks before.

3) So I remove BCG and then get a confiscation. LEO comes back and says "yup, we ran it in AFS and it comes back as an AW".

4) Removal of my BCG now means nothing. It IS AN AW defacto if it's in the registry and the state of the gun means nothing. The receiver itself, even bare (with BB of course) is an AW.

5) Same situation, I removed BCG and then confiscation, but now LEO comes back and says "ran AFS, not in there, guy has some paper to prove in submission".

6) Removal of the BCG now means it's not an AW, and I am good.


Pretty horrible gray area to get caught in some specific situations, like I was transporting or storing as a non-AW when it was admitted into the registry unbeknownst to me weeks before I got my letter!

[aBrowningfan]

Got a CFARS "Submission Confirmation Notice" email today. Looks like they're working Saturdays now.

That is interesting. If memory serves, the CFARS/CRIS budget submission did not identify overtime expense.

[Discogodfather]

That is interesting. If memory serves, the CFARS/CRIS budget submission did not identify overtime expense.

No, it definitely did. I think 6 months over the deadline. Let me see if I can find that info.

[beanz2]

I hear you, and I agree, and I appreciate the NRA-ILA bulletin and advice, but I think I have found a critical flaw in their legal logic. It might be a rare case but here is the reasoning:

1) A RAW's status as either unregistered or registered makes all the difference as to whether or not removing a BCG makes it a "non-aw".

2) If I have a pending registration (meaning no letter in hand yet) how do I know when it will appear in the registry? What is the relationship between the letter and the weapons status in the registry? I assume it's not a 1:1 thing, meaning if I get a letter the weapon was probably admitted into the registry days if not weeks before.

3) So I remove BCG and then get a confiscation. LEO comes back and says "yup, we ran it in AFS and it comes back as an AW".

4) Removal of my BCG now means nothing. It IS AN AW defacto if it's in the registry and the state of the gun means nothing. The receiver itself, even bare (with BB of course) is an AW.

5) Same situation, I removed BCG and then confiscation, but now LEO comes back and says "ran AFS, not in there, guy has some paper to prove in submission".

6) Removal of the BCG now means it's not an AW, and I am good.


Pretty horrible gray area to get caught in some specific situations, like I was transporting or storing as a non-AW when it was admitted into the registry unbeknownst to me weeks before I got my letter!

The main issue is the lack of clarification from CA-DOJ whether the AK is on or off the AW registry. Yup, like driving into a thick fog on the freeway. You better wait it out until the fog lifts. In the meantime, do not even venture out there.

Going to take my registered AR and Bren 805 to the range today. Let's see if any RSO or fellow shooters will make any comments on the registration issue. Letter in hand.

[Mustang]

Did you submit them in 3 batches?

No, all together, but did have to iron out a few issues with a couple of them.

[Ford8N]

The main issue is the lack of clarification from CA-DOJ whether the AK is on or off the AW registry. Yup, like driving into a thick fog on the freeway. You better wait it out until the fog lifts. In the meantime, do not even venture out there.

Going to take my registered AR and Bren 805 to the range today. Let's see if any RSO or fellow shooters will make any comments on the registration issue. Letter in hand.

Fellow shooters or RSOs need to either MYOB or FOAD.

As long as your safely shooting, that’s all that should concern them.

. ...We are all on the same side, right?


I’ve had bad experiences at public ranges.

[DarkSoul]

Looks like CalDOJ screwed the pooch some more with the AW registration

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/07/daniel-zimmerman/nra-reporting-massive-data-breach-in-california-assault-weapons-registration-system/

[aBrowningfan]

No, it definitely did. I think 6 months over the deadline. Let me see if I can find that info.

Based on this link: http://web1a.esd.dof.ca.gov/Document...820_BCP889.pdf , at the Personal Service Detail page, there was no entry for the Overtime line. Do you have some other source for overtime being paid for processing the applications?

[CandG]

Based on this link: http://web1a.esd.dof.ca.gov/Document...820_BCP889.pdf , at the Personal Service Detail page, there was no entry for the Overtime line. Do you have some other source for overtime being paid for processing the applications?

I'm just shocked they didn't burn all their budget doing all those knock-and-talks (knock-and-takes) a few months ago.

No doubt those little stunts cost a few thousand dollars apiece... that's probably why they stopped. Couldn't justify spending $5k a pop to keep going and talking to some guy about his $600 rifle.

[aBrowningfan]

I'm just shocked they didn't burn all their budget doing all those knock-and-talks (knock-and-takes) a few months ago.

No doubt those little stunts cost a few thousand dollars apiece... that's probably why they stopped. Couldn't justify spending $5k a pop to keep going and talking to some guy about his $600 rifle.

If your first name is Gavin or Xavier, $5k a pop to keep the state's unwashed masses free from evil firearms is cheap.

Somehow, if the claim about only 69,000 individuals submitting AW registrations is true, I suspect there will be many more knock-and-talks occurring. The dataset of people to contact is just too inviting to pass up if you are Gavin or Xavier.

[Ford8N]

If your first name is Gavin or Xavier, $5k a pop to keep the state's unwashed masses free from evil firearms is cheap.

Somehow, if the claim about only 69,000 individuals submitting AW registrations is true, I suspect there will be many more knock-and-talks occurring. The dataset of people to contact is just too inviting to pass up if you are Gavin or Xavier.

Any unregistered 2014+ firearms will no doubt get a personal visit starting in the big cities.