Proof of residency different from DL

[Cokebottle]

I thought fed's require proof of identity not residence. I don't think anyone will take a PG&E bill for proof of identity.

Two forms of ID for handgun, one for rifle.

[Cokebottle]

My SoCal Edison bill worked for me today at Turner's.

FWIW, my DL had my correct address.

See Geologists post.

Two forms are required for handguns, only one needs to be Government issued.

Your DL is all you would have needed for a rifle.

[Mag+1]

My SoCal Edison bill worked for me today at Turner's.

FWIW, my DL had my correct address.

See Geologists post.

Two forms are required for handguns, only one needs to be Government issued.

Your DL is all you would have needed for a rifle.

Agreed. I was referring to a pistol and needed both of those aforementioned items.

[CalAlumnus]

Just tried to DROS a handgun at a FFL and they said I had insufficient documentation. I have purchased a handgun at another FFL with this documentation. Can anyone confirm whether the below is sufficient for a handgun?

-California Driver License (old address printed; address change with DMV completed and brown card present)
-California CCW Permit (current address, matching 4473)

My understanding is that the driver license coupled with the CCW satisfies the federal identification requirement, while the CCW permit satisfies the state residency requirement. Was the FFL that allowed this incorrect?

[Mag+1]

Just a couple of weeks ago, I used a valid DL and a copy of my recent Edison bill. Granted, my DL had the correct address.

[Cokebottle]

Just tried to DROS a handgun at a FFL and they said I had insufficient documentation. I have purchased a handgun at another FFL with this documentation. Can anyone confirm whether the below is sufficient for a handgun?

-California Driver License (old address printed; address change with DMV completed and brown card present)
-California CCW Permit (current address, matching 4473)

My understanding is that the driver license coupled with the CCW satisfies the federal identification requirement, while the CCW permit satisfies the state residency requirement. Was the FFL that allowed this incorrect?

Should be adequate as far as I know, but some have a problem if your address doesn't match the DL.

Get a California ID and use that and the CCW so the old address is not a problem.
Alternatively, tell the DMV that your license was lost/stolen and you need a new one (with the new address)

[CalAlumnus]

Should be adequate as far as I know, but some have a problem if your address doesn't match the DL.

Get a California ID and use that and the CCW so the old address is not a problem.
Alternatively, tell the DMV that your license was lost/stolen and you need a new one (with the new address)

Yeah, I've found nothing authoritative to say that the documents I had were insufficient. I have a BATF advice letter and CADOJ regulations are consistent with the theory that what I had was sufficient.

Sure wish there an cheat sheet from a government agency I could point FFLs to.

I'll just go back to the first FFL.

[taperxz]

You need to review the requirements

Specifically question #13 here:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#13G

I used my driver's license and SDG&E bill. DROS went through no issues.

So has does one get around line 18b on the 4473?

You guys keep posting CA regs and keep ignoring ATF regulations for some strange reason

[pacrat]

Geologist said,

Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).

I beg your pardon, but that statement is made in error.

I purchase both my Ca Hunting and Fishing licenses here. On Lampson Ave, Los Alamitos.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/explore/organization/lrb

When I spent several years up north in the Benecia/Vallejo area. I got them from this location.

Napa Regional Office, Ca DFW
7329 Silverado Trail
Napa, CA 94558
Phone: (707) 944-5500
FAX: (707) 944-5553
Hours: Mon-Fri, 8am - 4:30pm

Both are definitely Ca. State DFW Gov. Offices.

[Cokebottle]

The fishing license is questionable at best.
Yes, it MAY be issued by a Gov't office, but I always got mine at Sport Chalet or Sports Authority. Filled it out in pen at the counter and walked out with it.

Biggest problem was the drones not understanding what stamps are needed for what. EVERYONE in SoCal wanting to fish salt water needs the Ocean Enhancement stamp... had drones try to tell me that I only needed that to fish NORTH of Pt. Arguello (Lompoc)

[71MUSTY]

Just tried to DROS a handgun at a FFL and they said I had insufficient documentation. I have purchased a handgun at another FFL with this documentation. Can anyone confirm whether the below is sufficient for a handgun?

-California Driver License (old address printed; address change with DMV completed and brown card present)
-California CCW Permit (current address, matching 4473)

My understanding is that the driver license coupled with the CCW satisfies the federal identification requirement, while the CCW permit satisfies the state residency requirement. Was the FFL that allowed this incorrect?

Why would any sane person put their home address on a DMV License or ID Card? Even worse your Auto registration and Insurance cards.

My DL has a P O BOX for privacy (wife works with 5150 and 5250 clients. You haven't lived until you get 5250 stalkers) Only CCW has physical address (And even that I was not thrilled about, but oh well.)

This has caused an issue on occasion. When they see my License has a PO BOX they tell me I need to change that because no smart person has a PO BOX on their License, Fact most don't even think it's leagl.

FFL says CCW works to exempts me from safe handling and second ID for proof of Identity but does not work for change of address because I already used it for proof of ID.

Most FFL do not see it this way, but some do. When they do I usually hand them my Card Passport which is a valid Federal Picture ID or the 6 other State CCW's that have a picture and the street address.

Rather then resolve the issue this seems to confuse then and upset them more and gets me the lecture about how I am disrespecting them by implying they don't know the rules.

At which point I have to get real humble and so "Sorry I didn't mean to sound disrespectful, what I'm trying to say is which of these combinations actually satisfies the law."

Usually about that time their brother Earl will step in and take over for them.

Usually they make that combination work, but occasionally they make me go out and get my registration (Which, you guessed it also has the PO BOX). Same with the utilities. I actually had to change one of the utilities to the street address to get my CCW but changed it back for safety reasons.

For the real stubborn ones I keep a copy of my property tax bill in my wallet which also has the PO BOX but shows the property address as the property being taxed. Sometimes their other brother Earl steps in then and fixes everything.

Other times I have to actually leave Turners and take my money to another FFL.

But I have never really understood why some are GTG with my DL and CCW and others make me show every other piece of paper I own.

[taperxz]

At some point in time people need to understand that there is two sets of laws to be followed. Fed first and then State of CA. They don't always inter mingle

[Mitch]

Why would any sane person put their home address on a DMV License or ID Card? Even worse your Auto registration and Insurance cards.

So they don't have to go through all the horse**** you described in the rest of your thread.

[Cokebottle]

So they don't have to go through all the horse**** you described in the rest of your thread.

I can certainly see the attraction.

A few years ago I was with a friend when a man stepped in front of his car just as he was making a right turn.
The guy was a dirtbag, no question. He wasn't hurt, he was hamming it up.
They exchanged information, and for the next few months my friend was on high-alert for burglary when he never heard from anyone, no lawsuit, no insurance contact.

With only a PO box on the ID and insurance, he would have been less reluctant to exchange info with the guy.

[lakersfan]

I had my DL and guard card with the same address but different apartment numbers. My guard card had the new one, DL had my old one. I was turned down. They wanted them to match in case they got audited.