Buying ammo when the new laws is in effect

[Dvrjon]

FIFY

Leo will be ARE exempt

I don't know. I don't think so.

Ummmmm....

30352. (a) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice.
(d) Commencing July 1, 2019, the ammunition vendor shall verify with the department, in a manner prescribed by the department, that the person is authorized to purchase ammunition. If the person is not listed as an authorized ammunition purchaser, the vendor shall deny the sale or transfer.

(e) Subdivisions (a) and (d) shall not apply to sales or other transfers of ownership of ammunition by ammunition vendors to any of the following, if properly identified:

(8) (A) A properly identified sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or properly identified sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(B) (i) Proper identification is defined as verifiable written certification from the head of the agency by which the purchaser or transferee is employed, identifying the purchaser or transferee as a full-time paid peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(ii) The certification shall be delivered to the vendor at the time of purchase or transfer and the purchaser or transferee shall provide bona fide evidence of identity to verify that he or she is the person authorized in the certification.
(iii) The vendor shall keep the certification with the record of sale and submit the certification to the department.

30364. (a) The sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if an ammunition vendor in this state initially receives the ammunition and processes the transfer in compliance with this article, Article 3 (commencing with Section 30345), and Article 4 (commencing with Section 30355). An ammunition vendor is required to promptly and properly process those transactions. An ammunition vendor may charge a fee to process the transfer not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per transaction. An ammunition vendor is not required to house ammunition orders longer than 30 days.
(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:

(10) A properly identified sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or properly identified sworn member of a federal law enforcement agency who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...01520160SB1235

[dustoff31]

Who will be exempt ? What licenses can one get to be exempt and continue to be able to buy ammo online? Looks like transfer dealers will just have another source to make money. Wich is still better than dealing with retail stores BS.

FFL 03 (C&R) and a COE. It appears that you can have it shipped to your door.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB1235

30364.
(a) The sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if an ammunition vendor in this state initially receives the ammunition and processes the transfer in compliance with this article, Article 3 (commencing with Section 30345), and Article 4 (commencing with Section 30355). An ammunition vendor is required to promptly and properly process those transactions. An ammunition vendor may charge a fee to process the transfer not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per transaction. An ammunition vendor is not required to house ammunition orders longer than 30 days.

(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:

(8) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.

[Full Clip]

All I know if that factory ammo is going to cost more in the future.
Much more.
So I will buy all I can — especially 22LR — over the next year and then concentrate on reloading my own.

[MaHoTex]

when is that supposed to happen?

Not sure. My father, who lives in Nevada, told me about it. When I drove through there last week there not a single sole around. Perhaps they have already closed it, not sure really.

[MaHoTex]

I had the same argument in an older thread and then someone posted up part of the law that said something to the effect that 50 rounds would be the maximum allowed to be brought into the state and given to a resident without going through FFL. I will see if I can find that link......

Yes, please do. I would like to see that as well. I have read through it a few times and did see a 50 round limit but it only applies to the sale. It did include friends and family but it only applied to sales not transfers. Sale is not the same as transfer from what I can tell. It was the section that I quoted above.

[chris]

Not sure. My father, who lives in Nevada, told me about it. When I drove through there last week there not a single sole around. Perhaps they have already closed it, not sure really.

is there any new construction near the CA/NV border that would give an indication they are building a new one? I've driven through the AG check on the 15 before and yeah it's a ways from the border.


Could it have been a holiday they were taking off? there are probably a ton of reasons that the AG could have been closed that day it's really anyone's guess as to why on the day you drove by it was closed.


it would cost millions to build a new AG check just to catch people buying ammo of of state and bringing it in. It certainly wouldn't be cost effective since they cannot catch everyone. of course money and cost effectiveness to this state is fictional thought process.

[Jimi Jah]

The Cal CHP already does vehicle searches for illegal fireworks at the Ag checkpoints. When they add ammo to the prohibited items you better take those NRA and gun stickers off your car.

[Smokestack]

There is a new CHP facility just inside the CA border on I-15. It didn't appear to be opened yet but is large enough for a weight station and perhaps will be a new location for a "checkpoint" in the near future.

[Subotai]

Only communists have checkpoints on their borders?! Oh wait...

[chris]

The Cal CHP already does vehicle searches for illegal fireworks at the Ag checkpoints. When they add ammo to the prohibited items you better take those NRA and gun stickers off your car.

I don't advertise that I'm a NRA member. Stalin is proud of California.

[MaHoTex]

is there any new construction near the CA/NV border that would give an indication they are building a new one? I've driven through the AG check on the 15 before and yeah it's a ways from the border.


Could it have been a holiday they were taking off? there are probably a ton of reasons that the AG could have been closed that day it's really anyone's guess as to why on the day you drove by it was closed.


it would cost millions to build a new AG check just to catch people buying ammo of of state and bringing it in. It certainly wouldn't be cost effective since they cannot catch everyone. of course money and cost effectiveness to this state is fictional thought process.

I do not know I do not go through Primm. Sorry.

[FireCloud9]

So if you have an ex you don't like in NV, AZ, OR and they're coming over to pick up kids for their parenting period, just ask them to pick up some ammo on the way over since it's cheaper in their state.

[Subotai]

The Cal CHP already does vehicle searches for illegal fireworks at the Ag checkpoints. When they add ammo to the prohibited items you better take those NRA and gun stickers off your car.

And do they ask or think they have the legal right to do so?

[Jimi Jah]

Someone that has been searched for fireworks can probably offer more info. The Ag station I usually cross is in South Lake Tahoe, it has a few bypass trails my jeep can take. Some have no bypass, like Yuma unless you rent a boat.

If the Cal CHP askes about ammo and you say I don't have any, they can still search your car. Whether that is legal or not I don't know, but this is the selective enforcement state so anything goes here until you get your day in court. Then an Obama or Shrillary judge will decide if you have any rights.

If you refuse to consent to a search, can the CHP prevent you from entering the state? I submit yes they can unless a "controlling legal authority" says they can't. So far we don't have that here.

We are into Checkpoint Charlie territory here with many civil rights being threatened. It's not like California follows the Constitution here.

[Dvrjon]

I have a workaround.

But, why? I thought you said,

I predict it gets tossed. There's a problem.