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  • Chewy65
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2013
    • 5041

    Does Transporting include Storing in a vehicle?

    PC 25400 (a) creates the crime of “Carrying a Concealed Firearm” while a in a vehicle. (Note that 25400 is not limited to motor vehicles.)
    25400. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when
    the person does any of the following:
    (1) Carries concealed within any vehicle that is under the person'
    s control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
    of being concealed upon the person.
    (2) Carries concealed upon the person any pistol, revolver, or
    other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
    (3) Causes to be carried concealed within any vehicle in which the
    person is an occupant any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
    of being concealed upon the person.
    However, PC 25610(a)(1) creates exemption from 25400 for transporting and carrying while in a motor vehicle. (I am not here concerned with outside the vehicle.)
    25610. (a) Section 25400 shall not be construed to prohibit any
    citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or
    is temporarily within this state, and who is not prohibited by state
    or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a
    firearm, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other
    firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that
    the following applies to the firearm:
    (1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
    vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.
    (2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any
    motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm,
    the firearm is contained within a locked container.
    (b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the
    otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver,
    or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in
    accordance with the provisions listed in Section 16580.
    However, if one leaves the concealable firearm unloaded and locked in a secure container inside the motor vehicle has a crime been committed? It seems that the overwhelming belief on CalGuns is there is none and I believe that to be true, but not because of the exception created by 25610.

    I do not believe 25610 is relevant, since the gun is neither being transported not carried when one leaves it in the vehicle. It is stored. But when we revisit 25400,we see that it only criminalizes the act of carrying. Hence, unless some other statutory or case law makes it a crime to store a unloaded handgun in a locked container within a parked motor vehicle, where is the crime?

    Perhaps someone knows of California law on storage of firearms in a motor vehicle. I do not. The only California law of which I am aware concerning firearms storage is that beginning with PC 25100 and following, but those secitions are limited to the storage of firearms on “premises”. I have looked at Massachusetts law which specifies the manner in which firearms are to be stored in motor vehicles, and the decision in one case makes it clear that under its law storage is distinct from carrying, including under a CCW, but that is a matter of Massachusetts statutory language.

    Last edited by Chewy65; 12-29-2015, 8:21 PM.
  • #2
    Librarian
    Admin and Poltergeist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 44640

    AFAIK, CA has no 'storage' language in PC, other than the 'access by a child' part and that governing FFLs.
    ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

    Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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    • #3
      Chewy65
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2013
      • 5041

      Note that even pro-gun AZ recognizes the difference between transporting and storing a gun in a motor vehicle. See 12-781. Transportation or storage of firearms; motor vehicles; applicability

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      • #4
        leadchucker
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 622

        Originally posted by Chewy65
        Note that even pro-gun AZ recognizes the difference between transporting and storing a gun in a motor vehicle.
        So does the anti-gun City of Oakland.

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