Has ANYONE ever got in trouble for using a Raddlock bullet button?

[icallshotgun88]

Hey, I'm looking into getting a Raddlock bullet button, but was curious if anyone has ever been reprimanded for using one...


To me the law is very straight forward. it says it requires the use of a tool to release the magazine. If the Raddlock is fixed in a way that follows those rules, it shouldn't be a problem.

There would HAVE to be a rule that says the bullet button must require a tool to release the magazine AND can not be easily manipulated to then NOT require a tool.

To my knowledge, no such law exists.

Therefore, shouldn't it be 100% legal to use (as long as its properly fixed)?


Just curious if anyone has heard otherwise?

On there website it says its "Not approved by CA DOJ".

That seemed like a red flag to me....?



thanks

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

I haven't heard of a case but it has been speculated that a corrupt cop could easily turn the screw to free state condition and then make a unregistered AW arrest.

I have a radlock on one of my rifles and this scenario is definitely a concern of mine.

P.S.: Reference "California approved". I don't think any bullet button is technically "California approved".

[SonofWWIIDI]

Hey, I'm looking into getting a Raddlock bullet button, but was curious if anyone has ever been reprimanded for using one...


To me the law is very straight forward. it says it requires the use of a tool to release the magazine. If the Raddlock is fixed in a way that follows those rules, it shouldn't be a problem.

There would HAVE to be a rule that says the bullet button must require a tool to release the magazine AND can not be easily manipulated to then NOT require a tool.

To my knowledge, no such law exists.

Therefore, shouldn't it be 100% legal to use (as long as its properly fixed)?


Just curious if anyone has heard otherwise?

On there website it says its "Not approved by CA DOJ".

That seemed like a red flag to me....?



thanks

The bullet button in and of itself is not a tool, it's a part that becomes an integral part of the rifle. Therefore the BB itself allows the end user to employ a tool (a bullet will work) to remove the magazine. While I am not aware of anyone being put in a bind about it, it seems that the general consensus (based on opinions I've read in these forums) is that the tool may not be attached to the rifle (or BB) as it might then be construed as being a part of the rifle and a risk technical violation, especially from an overzealous authority figure.

I'm not really sure that answers your question though.

The cautionary warning in their website is to cover their a** legally speaking.

And I seem to recall that the other BB (with the little red wrench) had received a CADOJ opinion letter labeling it as GTG. But I can't remember where I saw it and I can't find a copy of it. If I do, I'll post it up.

Edit.
As long as the BB device prevents the magazine from being released without the use of a tool, you should be okay. Although IANAL.

[SonofWWIIDI]

This is not the letter I was looking for, it's just a training bulletin for SACPD. But it may help.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Sacramento-PD-OLL_Training_Bulletin-2008-11-18.pdf

Here's another one for OC.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Orange-County-AW-Training-Bulletin-2010-01-12.pdf

[Jimi Jah]

We need volunteers for a test case, another one for the Sig brace.

Any takers?

[SunsetIE]

This is not the letter I was looking for, it's just a training bulletin for SACPD. But it may help.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Sacramento-PD-OLL_Training_Bulletin-2008-11-18.pdf

The 2nd pic they used is fail. Looks to be a .22 LR magazine, meaning that gun does not require a BB.

Cant even get the "training bulletin" right

[ke6guj]

On there website it says its "Not approved by CA DOJ".

That seemed like a red flag to me....?



thanks

that is because CADOJ is unwilling to "approve" any devices.

[Ki6vsm]

That same hypothetical unscrupulous cop could also just pop in one of his own 30-rnd magazines and bust you for that, no matter what kind of mag-release setup you have. (Jeez... that's a paranoid thought.)

[CessnaDriver]

Also if you have a Raddlock or similar on a featureless, and there is a reason to do this if you swap to uppers that have evil features. Make sure you NEVER insert a 10+ magazine into a featureless with the Raddlock in the bullet button position.
You MUST always use 10 round or less mags when in the bullet button position even if the rifle is entirely feautureless. Makes no sense of course, like all our laws here but it's something that is NOT obvious and one can mistakenly be in violation.

[Ki6vsm]

Also if you have a Raddlock or similar on a featureless, and there is a reason to do this if you swap to uppers that have evil features. Make sure you NEVER insert a 10+ magazine into a featureless with the Raddlock in the bullet button position.
You MUST always use 10 round or less mags when in the bullet button position even if the rifle is entirely feautureless. Makes no sense of course, like all our laws here but it's something that is NOT obvious and one can mistakenly be in violation.

Kind of the gist of my comment. I would assume everyone knows not to pop an 11+ cap magazine in any of these "off-list", "featureless AR build" rifles. That hasn't been legal since, what, Y2K? I was just commenting that if you're worried about being 'framed' by a bad cop with a little screwdrive to mess with your Radlock, may as well worry about one with an extra LEO-only "hi-cap" mag and an ax to grind.

[ap3572001]

I work in LE for over 22 years. Never heard of anyone gettinng arrested for any magazine release issues. Don't really care much about that kind of stuff.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Kind of the gist of my comment. I would assume everyone knows not to pop an 11+ cap magazine in any of these "off-list", "featureless AR build" rifles. That hasn't been legal since, what, Y2K? I was just commenting that if you're worried about being 'framed' by a bad cop with a little screwdrive to mess with your Radlock, may as well worry about one with an extra LEO-only "hi-cap" mag and an ax to grind.

So you think it's illegal to use a "11+" magazine in a featureless AR.

Do you know what a featureless is and why some people make their AR's featureless?

And yes a corrupt cop could just use one of his own 30 rd mags. But why sacrifice a good mag when all they would have to do is turn a screw. I never said it is likely to happen I just pointed out that others have identified it as a point of concern. Do you doubt the existence of corrupt cops that would do such a thing? If so I got a bridge to sell you.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

I work in LE for over 22 years. Never heard of anyone gettinng arrested for any magazine release issues. Don't really care much about that kind of stuff.

So no need to be concerned over running a standard mag catch in a non featureless and non AW registered AR or AK.?

[ap3572001]

So no need to be concerned over running a standard mag catch in a non featureless and non AW registered AR or AK.?

You are supposed to follow the most current laws when it comes to that stuff. Did You read the original question of this topic? He was asking about Raddlock magazine release . Not about running std mag catch in non featuless and non AW registered AR OT AK ( it WILL GET You into trouble. )

[wireless]

Just put a bullet button on rifle and buy a spare standard mag release + spring. Those two combined is $8-$10 cheaper than a radlock.

My radlock was finicky when I tried using it in AZ and ditched it.