Is the Arsenal Firearms Dueller pistol a "machine gun"?

[Bolt_Action]

I don't understand how this pistol is not legally classified as a "machine gun"

http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/products/af-2011-a1-double-barrel-pistol

If it "fires more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger", which this pistol does, then how is it not covered by the NFA? Is it really legal to possess in CA, or anywhere in the USA?

And, if this pistol really is legal, does that mean a double barreled shotgun that fires both barrels with a single pull of the trigger would be legal? I seem to remember there being a discussion that concluded such a shotgun would be an illegal machine gun (as ridiculous as that might sound).

[Souske]

There are two triggers, i suspect this is why it does not meet the definition

[ke6guj]

I think I've seen this offered in a couple different versions,
one trigger, one hammer . sure seems to be an obvious NFA violation.
two triggers, one hammer. if either trigger is pulled the hammer drops and both rounds go off. unless there is an interupter in there somewhere that requires both triggers to be pulled to get the hammer to fall.
two triggers, two hammers. this would seem to be completely NFA-compliant but if you only pull one trigger, only one round goes off, the gun cycles (or doesn't) and you either ejected one live round or the gun probably gets a weird jam.

I don't know what version ATF is letting Arsenal import.

[Bolt_Action]

Strange. So if someone were to connect both triggers of a side by side shotgun together, would that be an NFA violation?

[Quiet]

Strange. So if someone were to connect both triggers of a side by side shotgun together, would that be an NFA violation?

Yes.

[bohoki]

not sure since it is a simultanious discharge so it may be one double shot instead of 2 individual shots

those guns are a joke wouldnt a delay or slight hangfire cause a catastophic case rupture

[Bolt_Action]

Yes.

But if connecting the two triggers of a double barrel shotgun makes that an NFA weapon, why isn't this pistol covered by the NFA for the same reason?

[Quiet]

But if connecting the two triggers of a double barrel shotgun makes that an NFA weapon, why isn't this pistol covered by the NFA for the same reason?

It has two triggers that are not connected.

[Bolt_Action]

It has two triggers that are not connected.

What?! Now I'm really confused, isn't the hammer a single piece, or are there actually two independent hammers? And if they're two hammers, what happens if you hit trigger 1 just a little before trigger 2, won't this cause an extraction on chamber 2 under high pressure -> kaboom?

On the other hand, if there's one hammer that fires both barrels at the same time, isn't that a single trigger firing both shots?

[Quiet]

What?! Now I'm really confused, isn't the hammer a single piece, or are there actually two independent hammers? And if they're two hammers, what happens if you hit trigger 1 just a little before trigger 2, won't this cause an extraction on chamber 2 under high pressure -> kaboom?

On the other hand, if there's one hammer that fires both barrels at the same time, isn't that a single trigger firing both shots?

It has two hammers that are connected.
If Trigger 1 is pulled and Trigger 2 is not, then Barrel 1 fires. Even though both hammers drop. The internal firing pin safety mechanism prevents Barrel 2 from firing, because Trigger 2 was not pulled.

[bohoki]

i am confused if that is the case is it not readily convertible by just putting a 1 inch long rod through the trigger holes

[xrayoneone]

i am confused if that is the case is it not readily convertible by just putting a 1 inch long rod through the trigger holes

Yes the same as double triggers are easily converted using wire or string. My guess would be that it would not be a hi priority crime. The guns are expensive and more of a novelty than anything.

[ke6guj]

It has two hammers that are connected.
If Trigger 1 is pulled and Trigger 2 is not, then Barrel 1 fires. Even though both hammers drop. The internal firing pin safety mechanism prevents Barrel 2 from firing, because Trigger 2 was not pulled.

looking at this video,

at the 3 minute mark it shows that both triggers are linked so either trigger will drop the hammer. and I don't see any series 80 firing pin safety to make it so that the right barrel wouldn't fire if you didn't pull the right trigger, and vice-versa for the left.

[Quiet]

I could be wrong.
One I looked at may have been different.

[saki302]

The way it was explained to me-

They offer two versions.

One with linked trigger (pull one trigger, both hammers drop), and one with independent triggers.

The one with independent triggers has linked hammers- either they both fall or they both sit.
Pull one trigger, nothing happens. Pull the other one (while holding down the first), both hammers drop simultaneously.

-Dave