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  • Librarian
    Admin and Poltergeist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 44633

    Don't use large-cap mags in mag-locked guns

    Setting aside the effects of the Benitez ruling, it's important to realize some things have NOT changed.

    Can I use LCMs in my 'featureless' centerfire semiautomatic rifles??


    Yes.



    Can I use LCMs in my RAW -Registered Assault Weapon(s)?


    Yes.

    IF YOU REGISTERED, the registered guns do NOT have a 'fixed magazine'. If you registered a 'bullet-buttoned' gun, under the new law that is NOT a 'fixed magazine' gun.



    Can I use LCMs in my gun that has a new magazine locking device (open action to release mag)?

    No.

    32310 (the narrow subject of Judge Benitez's ruling in Duncan) is about just crimes with magazines; the definition of large-capacity magazine is independent of 32310.

    'Assault weapon' law is a different piece - in this case: PC 30515 -- And 30515 does not even use the term 'large capacity magazine' - it says "a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."
    30515.

    (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
    ...
    (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
    Your new mag locking device creates a 'fixed magazine' - you probably did that to avoid registering.

    Using a LCM in a fixed magazine device creates an 'assault weapon'. That's a felony. Do not do that.
    Last edited by Librarian; 04-01-2019, 4:58 PM.
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  • #2
    Subotai
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    • Jun 2010
    • 11289

    Seems to me that this could fall with the Benetiz ruling.
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    • #3
      BucDan
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2011
      • 4060

      Should sticky this and a redirect note at the top of the forums so people don't get confused.

      It's great that you put the language in layman's terms as well.

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      • #4
        edgerly779
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Aug 2009
        • 19871

        How many times do we have to tell these twits. Many posts with this info. Lotsa nummies out there. 10 plus round mag in fixed mag semi auto = Assault Weapon. Also same for ar and ak pistols.

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        • #5
          shaocaholica
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2014
          • 889

          RAW pistols are ok right?

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          • #6
            sonofeugene
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2013
            • 4303

            Originally posted by frankm
            Seems to me that this could fall with the Benetiz ruling.
            Me thinks for now, Librarian is correct but that if the Benitez ruling holds, that would be grounds for going after PC 30515. So, your point is well taken.

            In the meantime, can someone simply convert a fixed mag AR to a full featureless and be good to go? Seems doing that is well within the law.
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            • #7
              peter95
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 2488

              Originally posted by sonofeugene
              Me thinks for now, Librarian is correct but that if the Benitez ruling holds, that would be grounds for going after PC 30515. So, your point is well taken.

              In the meantime, can someone simply convert a fixed mag AR to a full featureless and be good to go? Seems doing that is well within the law.
              From my understanding, you can. Fix mag ar to featurelss. Im not a lawyer

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              • #8
                ambis
                Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 153

                ....not for RAW pistols though, right? RAW pistols can take > 10 round mags right?

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                • #9
                  ambis
                  Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 153

                  I have the same question too.....

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                  • #10
                    nicky c
                    Member
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 465

                    Originally posted by ambis
                    ....not for RAW pistols though, right? RAW pistols can take > 10 round mags right?
                    Dude... it's a RAW, you can put whatever you want into it.

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                    • #11
                      Librarian
                      Admin and Poltergeist
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 44633

                      Originally posted by frankm
                      Seems to me that this could fall with the Benetiz ruling.
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                      • #12
                        Shadowdrop
                        Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 495

                        Originally posted by nicky c
                        Dude... it's a RAW, you can put whatever you want into it.
                        Well, except for a standard mag release...

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                        • #13
                          nicky c
                          Member
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 465

                          Originally posted by Shadowdrop
                          Well, except for a standard mag release...
                          Well, okay anything except that.

                          For now...

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                          • #14
                            MJB
                            CGSSA Associate
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 5924

                            This is so painful.....thx for the clarification on BS Law......ugh
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                            • #15
                              foothillman
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2017
                              • 1064

                              Last edited by foothillman; 07-14-2019, 1:10 PM.
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