since a "Right delayed is a Right denied" shouldn't CCW issue time be capped?

[The Last American Hero]

since a "Right delayed is a Right denied" shouldn't CCW issue time be capped?

In that your application becomes a valid permit automatically after a "reasonable time" after you pass any training classes, so they can't just 'sit' on your ap as long as they please like they do today without giving a valid reason for denial?

What if it was processing voter registrations in Black neighborhoods? Isn't the Govt REQUIRED to "get her done" by certain deadlines?

Of course that is for elections so for CCW applications they could be required to process all of Nov's aps by Jan 1st, in that if you didn't see your ap# on their website under "denied, contact our office" by Jan1 12:01 AM you were GTG.

I remember my dad telling me of this legal principal that was used in some 3rd world country (India?) for well digging permits or something, because 'just sitting on applications' had become such a problem.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

I think you're confusing your interpretation of "your rights" with what our keepers feel are "your rights."

A.W.D.

since a "Right delayed is a Right denied" shouldn't CCW issue time be capped?

In that your application becomes a valid permit automatically after a "reasonable time" after you pass any training classes, so they can't just 'sit' on your ap as long as they please like they do today without giving a valid reason for denial?

What if it was processing voter registrations in Black neighborhoods? Isn't the Govt REQUIRED to "get her done" by certain deadlines?

Of course that is for elections so for CCW applications they could be required to process all of Nov's aps by Jan 1st, in that if you didn't see your ap# on their website under "denied, contact our office" by Jan1 12:01 AM you were GTG.

I remember my dad telling me of this legal principal that was used in some 3rd world country (India?) for well digging permits or something, because 'just sitting on applications' had become such a problem.

[wildhawker]

since a "Right delayed is a Right denied" shouldn't CCW issue time be capped?

In that your application becomes a valid permit automatically after a "reasonable time" after you pass any training classes, so they can't just 'sit' on your ap as long as they please like they do today without giving a valid reason for denial?

What if it was processing voter registrations in Black neighborhoods? Isn't the Govt REQUIRED to "get her done" by certain deadlines?

Of course that is for elections so for CCW applications they could be required to process all of Nov's aps by Jan 1st, in that if you didn't see your ap# on their website under "denied, contact our office" by Jan1 12:01 AM you were GTG.

I remember my dad telling me of this legal principal that was used in some 3rd world country (India?) for well digging permits or something, because 'just sitting on applications' had become such a problem.

California has something like that in some other areas of law, like the Permit Streamlining Act.

But see www.calgunsfoundation.org/carry/FAQs for more info on existing CCW deadlines.

[bohoki]

babysteps

delay is nothing have you seen the taxes required to exercise our right

imagine if to vote they required you took a taxi to the polling place then pay admission to the building a building use fee

[Quiet]

An issuing agency has 90 days from accepting your CCW application or 30 days from completion of your livescan results, which ever is longer, to approve or deny you. [PC 26205]

Some issuing agencies do not accept mailed in CCW application and will only accept a CCW application at the applicant's interview/appointment.
So, the time starts 90 days after the initial appointment.

90 days is shorter than some "shall issue" States.


Penal Code 26205
The licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this article is approved or denied. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 90 days of the initial application for a new license or a license renewal, or 30 days after receipt of the applicant's criminal background check from the Department of Justice, whichever is later. If the license is denied, the notice shall state which requirement was not satisfied.

[bohoki]

but things have changed we used to be able to open carry unloaded firearms now that they have taken that right our only option is to concealed carry and it is an undue burden to either remain at home or hire armed guards

[unusedusername]

An issuing agency has 90 days from accepting your CCW application or 30 days from completion of your livescan results, which ever is longer, to approve or deny you. [PC 26205]

Some issuing agencies do not accept mailed in CCW application and will only accept a CCW application at the applicant's interview/appointment.
So, the time starts 90 days after the initial appointment.

90 days is shorter than some "shall issue" States.


Penal Code 26205
The licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this article is approved or denied. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 90 days of the initial application for a new license or a license renewal, or 30 days after receipt of the applicant's criminal background check from the Department of Justice, whichever is later. If the license is denied, the notice shall state which requirement was not satisfied.

True, but there is no recourse if they simply ignore that timeline other then a full lawsuit.

See Sacramento county as an example.

I agree though that we have to get counties to issue in the first place before dealing with this.

[cdtx2001]

babysteps

delay is nothing have you seen the taxes required to exercise our right

imagine if to vote they required you took a taxi to the polling place then pay admission to the building a building use fee

In addition to the delay(s), why is it that it can cost over $200 to apply to exercise my right here in this state, yet it only costs $60 in other states such as NV and OR?

Same thing for wait times, here 90 days. Other states, 30-45 days and permit's in your hand. I won't even get into that whole fiasco down south where the good folk there have to get in line and wait over a year before they are allowed to even submit their paperwork.

[ronlglock]

An issuing agency has 90 days from accepting your CCW application or 30 days from completion of your livescan results, which ever is longer, to approve or deny you. [PC 26205]

So, the time starts 90 days after the initial appointment.

Penal Code 26205
The licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this article is approved or denied. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 90 days of the initial application for a new license or a license renewal, or 30 days after receipt of the applicant's criminal background check from the Department of Justice, whichever is later. If the license is denied, the notice shall state which requirement was not satisfied.

My Livescan was done in January 2014, local PD interview in February, Sheriff interview in May, and approval in October. Took a bit longer than the 90 days, what?

[GM4spd]

since a "Right delayed is a Right denied"

Nice catch phrase but not sure if it will ever speed anything up. Pete

[wildhawker]

My Livescan was done in January 2014, local PD interview in February, Sheriff interview in May, and approval in October. Took a bit longer than the 90 days, what?

That's because that process isn't what the law says. And when did you do the LiveScan?

[barrage]

Yes, but isn't that the danger of agreeing to the State's terms in how and when you can exercise your rights to begin with. We already have the right to carry loaded weapons on us in public as is declared in the 2nd Amendment, so wouldn't complying with California's profane gun laws be a sign of you consenting to giving up those rights?

[bountyhunter]

since a "Right delayed is a Right denied" shouldn't CCW issue time be capped?

In that your application becomes a valid permit automatically after a "reasonable time" after you pass any training classes, so they can't just 'sit' on your ap as long as they please like they do today without giving a valid reason for denial?

I wish they would have done that with all the applications for disability ratings the Viet nam vets submitted to the VA back in the 70's.

So to answer your question: yes, the government can sit on things as long as they like. And they very often use that as a way to make you give up and go away. Or in the case of people who need medical treatment from the VA, you die and that solves their problem.

[36Ford]

That's because that process isn't what the law says. And when did you do the LiveScan?

Brandon, In San Joaquin County dozens of people have reportedly waited six months or more after their Livescan for an answer.

There is a whole thread on it.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=352789&page=45

[marcusrn]

Yes, but isn't that the danger of agreeing to the State's terms in how and when you can exercise your rights to begin with. We already have the right to carry loaded weapons on us in public as is declared in the 2nd Amendment, so wouldn't complying with California's profane gun laws be a sign of you consenting to giving up those rights?

Yes indeed, it is giving consent.

What are you doing to resist this egregious onslaught of injustice?