Can you be pro-gun but anti-LTC?

[babe]

So we who carry everyday, get cut off in traffic, are the minority? I carry everyday and if I was around her she wouldn't even know I was carring. So this is the same old story!

I don't think she is talking about having a problem with some certain individual carrying. I think her comment was to the population in general and what laws should be out there to protect the stupid from themselves. That there are way too many hot headed idiots out there. Way too many people have their tempers get themselves into too much trouble.

I was the first to tell her that criminals don't follow laws. But she wasn't talking about criminals. She was talking about law abiding people who might do something stupid. And she was for ccws....with restrictions and requirments such as training, background checks etc.

[glock7]

She needs a good swift kick in the a**.

As do most of her ilk. She sounds just like some of the "I support the 2A, but think we need some common sense gun control..." progressive politicians. Probably really likes to hear the sound of her own voice.

Tomorrows headline:
Friend kicks lame, self-imoortant ignoramus to curb.

I like your honesty and I concur.

[marcusrn]

Of course, many patriots would no sooner get a LTC than they would a LT go to church.

[DAVO]

I've got a girlfriend who is pro-gun. Her husband owns guns.

Son is this your first day? Or are you trolling?

[Ozzone]

The majority of people out there are stupid. The majority of people out there are hot headed, road raging, temper losing, immature short term thinkers.

Ask her to name them. Not use generalizations. Start making a list.

If she can't, tell her this: "The majority of anti-gun people are Marxists that want to dictate to the others what they can or can't do."

See how fast she asks you to name them.

[GOEX FFF]

Son is this your first day? Or are you trolling?

FYI, the OP is female.

[IVC]

I think her comment was to the population in general and what laws should be out there to protect the stupid from themselves.

Again, that's exactly what Jonathan Gruber said about people before forcing Obamacare on them.

As a woman, she should know better than to use such arguments. Just look at what arguments were used *against* 19th amendment about 100 years ago. Or more recently how eugenics (genetically too stupid) was used to commit the largest genocide in the history.

Are we to go back to the times where groups of people try to disenfranchise other groups of people with impunity by finding a justification that faults the disenfranchised group for being inadequate?

[Epaphroditus]

Well researched unimpeachable statistics cannot trump rights bestowed by the creator.

[Californio]

Yesterday I entered Free America, I am carrying under Constitutional Carry, I have not harmed anyone, these Rights pre-date government and are my Natural Right, don't relish returning home.

[Databyter]

I've got a girlfriend who is pro-gun. Her husband owns guns. The family goes shooting together. But she is anti-LTC. Here is her rational:

The majority of people out there are stupid. The majority of people out there are hot headed, road raging, temper losing, immature short term thinkers.

She is happy with people carrying guns in 'their own space', ie, their homes. But she does not like the idea of people carrying guns around her. She is concerned that those harmless grocery store arguments, those freeway cut offs, those playground parent arguments will turn violent too quickly.

She asked me if I approved of the ccw ban at bars. I told her I was. When people are drinking, their judgement is impared. She said she feels she makes better judgements drunk than many people do sober. I guess I have to agree.

So is being Anti-ccw the same as being pro 2A yet against machine guns, or grenades or nuclear weapons? Just another shade of grey? Or being for background checks but still calling yourself pro-2A? Or is LTC sacred?

You can be pro-gun and anti-ltc. But then you'd be on the wrong side of the statistics and reality. People drive cars when they are stupid and immature also but it is one in a million that would mow down a crowd on purpose.

In the case of LTC the good parts of it outweight the potential for misuse by thousands to one. Self defense, and the defense of others WILL save lives. If any lives were to be lost because of LEGAL concealed carry, it would be the immense rarity.

Databyter

[Packy14]

I've got a girlfriend who is pro-gun. Her husband owns guns. The family goes shooting together. But she is anti-LTC. Here is her rational:

The majority of people out there are stupid. The majority of people out there are hot headed, road raging, temper losing, immature short term thinkers.

She is happy with people carrying guns in 'their own space', ie, their homes. But she does not like the idea of people carrying guns around her. She is concerned that those harmless grocery store arguments, those freeway cut offs, those playground parent arguments will turn violent too quickly.

She asked me if I approved of the ccw ban at bars. I told her I was. When people are drinking, their judgement is impared. She said she feels she makes better judgements drunk than many people do sober. I guess I have to agree.

So is being Anti-ccw the same as being pro 2A yet against machine guns, or grenades or nuclear weapons? Just another shade of grey? Or being for background checks but still calling yourself pro-2A? Or is LTC sacred?

There are few documented cases of CCW holders committing these kind of crimes. So, her argument isn't very solid. She is probably afraid of what she might do.

[DAVO]

FYI, the OP is female.

That makes more sense.

[2nd Mass]

I've got a girlfriend who is pro-gun. Her husband owns guns. The family goes shooting together. But she is anti-LTC. Here is her rational:

The majority of people out there are stupid. The majority of people out there are hot headed, road raging, temper losing, immature short term thinkers.

Well depends. What's her sample size? Does she mean the majority of people she knows are this way?

She is happy with people carrying guns in 'their own space', ie, their homes. But she does not like the idea of people carrying guns around her. She is concerned that those harmless grocery store arguments, those freeway cut offs, those playground parent arguments will turn violent too quickly.

Let's look at facts not conjecture. Violent crime, homicides, sexual assaults and crime in general in Chicago as plummeted since going shall issue. Also, getting a CCW requires a training class. I know people who have taken the class and the biggest lesson taught is to not shoot anyone. It costs a ton of money to defend yourself and can cost you you're freedom if charges come up. Also CCWs aren't cheap. There's the class and cost of licensing.

Also it's one thing to have a heated argument or road rage. These things happen. It's another to go pyscho and shoot someone without being in fear for you're own life. Look at all the other shall issue states. Most of them don't have CCW holders going OK Corral on each other.

So is being Anti-ccw the same as being pro 2A yet against machine guns, or grenades or nuclear weapons? Just another shade of grey? Or being for background checks but still calling yourself pro-2A? Or is LTC sacred?

Anyone can be any level of pro 2A. When it comes to LTC she just hasn't been educated. Btw, there's nothing wrong with that. You're a well informed calgunner, it's your job to help her. You show the facts that now the majority of the US is shall issue. CCW people aren't shooting each other on freeways. Crime rates have dropped in states and areas with shall issue, not increased because CCW holders are getting into gun fights.

Also, it's not cheap to get a CCW. A professional with the expendable income to get one is not going to throw their lives away because they got cut off on the freeway. If anything they are calmer and let things go, because they're not going to escalate to a fatal scenario just because someone bumped them in the street. How much calmer and tamer do you drive when going to the range? Probably a lot calmer, because you have guns in the car and don't need problems. CCW holders seem apt to not say anything because they know it's not worth escalating. The psychos that are that crazy won't usually bother with a CCW and are probably prohibited anyway. Which is exactly the people you want to defend yourself from.

[Nopal]

I've got a girlfriend who is pro-gun. Her husband owns guns. The family goes shooting together. But she is anti-LTC. Here is her rational:

The majority of people out there are stupid. The majority of people out there are hot headed, road raging, temper losing, immature short term thinkers ...

The humongous irony of that statement would be very funny if the OP's girlfriend wasn't serious about it. That is as ironic as it gets.