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  • avdrummerboy
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 95

    My thoughts on the second amendment

    Just thought I would post my thoughts on what the second amendment is. It may sound ranty in some places mostly against the Brady camp. who feels they need to lie to the people to get what they want. But.......

    Firstly, the wording as it appears in the constitution of the United States;
    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Many people, especially those who oppose guns (like the Brady Camp.), get the wording wrong, especially the second clause that contains the word people. A militia is an army of the people, and no not the Natl Guard, the second amendment was ratified over a hundred years before the formation on the Guard, and we can be pretty sure that the founding fathers were not alluding to the Natl. Guard. Now to me knowing that a "well regulated militia" is made up of ordinary citizens is enough to say that every American citizen has the right to bear arms. But since most people don't think that logically and say that that has nothing to do with the populace, then we'll notice that there is a comma, meaning a second part to the amendment, not any sort of modifier to the first. The operative word in the second part is people, in other words you and me. Now I don't know how people misconstrue this statement, actually yeah I do, people like the Brady camp. just somehow forget to say the word people and hope no one notices. That phrase doesn't get any more simple "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I for one am shocked at how far we have fallen from this, how can that be misinterpreted at all.

    Secondly, why the second amendment was written. And oddly enough, the anti-gun people in a way are right, it wasn't written for us to always carry and protect ourselves, not too long ago we didn't need to. It was originally written to give the people the ability to protect themselves for their government, just in case it does what it is slowly doing and becoming a police state. The founding fathers knew that of all the amendments, the second is the only one that can truly stop something like that. Think about it, if the government decided to go communist on us, will freedom of speech save us? Freedom of press? Religion? NO, only the armed citizen will, that is the only amendment that in worse case scenarios will get things taken care of. Back when the amendment was written, crime was next to nothing. Also, hanging was a popular punishment for things that today you would only get a fine for if that, no wonder people learned to do these things, no consequences. As crime went up so did gun use on both sides, criminal and justice. Then bring us to todays day and age, crime is higher than ever (and concealed and open carry laws are actually taking care of that) and we now need to be able to defend ourselves with any means that a criminal can attack us with, including firearms. So granted, the second amendment was written for our protection from the government, we now need it to mean our protection from the people that the government can't or won't deal with in defense of our own lives.

    Lastly, I for one don't buy into the whole idea that we can legislate crime out of existence, I'll wake up one day and there will no longer be crime. Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee, that will never happen, as nice as it would be. I don't see why the law in too many instances is on the criminals side, people who can carry concealed are disallowed to in many places they should be as are those who open carry.

    Anyway, these are my thoughts and some may sound strange, but I do believe that overall the second amendment is one that allows me to protect myself no matter who it may be, the government, a crazed person, criminal, whoever.
    http://paulkrwe.blogspot.com/



    On killing in self defense: I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

    I would also rather my friends and family come visit me in prison than come to visit my grave.
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    DJ Skillz
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 1255





    You're so right it's not even funny.

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    • #3
      avdrummerboy
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 95

      Wow, just reread what I wrote in the 15 minutes before I rushed out the door to go to work. A little discontinuous in places, but thank you DJ Skillz for you support.
      http://paulkrwe.blogspot.com/



      On killing in self defense: I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

      I would also rather my friends and family come visit me in prison than come to visit my grave.

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      • #4
        fullrearview
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2008
        • 9371

        I agree with you 100% on the meaning... however the national guard is the oldest and first armed forces in our nations history...I believe they started in 1637...Or that might have been our 1st conflict/war they were involved in.


        Don't take my word for it but if I recall, that was the case
        "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."~M.Twain~

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        • #5
          avdrummerboy
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 95

          Natl. Guard was formed in 1903.

          Just revamped my history, the guard was picked up by the U.S. Military in 1903, before that they were gasp "ordinary citizens." The government stepped in and ruined that too.
          Last edited by avdrummerboy; 09-17-2008, 9:23 AM.
          http://paulkrwe.blogspot.com/



          On killing in self defense: I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

          I would also rather my friends and family come visit me in prison than come to visit my grave.

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          • #6
            fullrearview
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2008
            • 9371



            this is a link off their website.... Yes it was incorporated in 1903 but as it says they are the oldest part of our military. I had to look it up... I was just remembering what we were taught from my days in the army.
            "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."~M.Twain~

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            • #7
              avdrummerboy
              Junior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 95

              But before they were sucked up by the military, the militia was comprised of the ordinary people, all I was getting at is the fact that the first part of that amendment should be sufficient enough to mean that people have the right to keep and bear arms.
              http://paulkrwe.blogspot.com/



              On killing in self defense: I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

              I would also rather my friends and family come visit me in prison than come to visit my grave.

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              • #8
                Guntech
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2008
                • 1722

                I agree with you on most points you made, but the fact is a lot of people, mainly liberals, live in la-la land where they have actually convinced themselves crime doesn't exist. Most celebrities are the epidemy of this, the only threat to them is the paparazzi and over dosing on drugs.
                " I think the National Rifle Association is more feared than any of those associations,"
                -Bob Schieffer, CBS News chief Washington correspondent


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                • #9
                  pnkssbtz
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3555

                  Originally posted by Guntech
                  I agree with you on most points you made, but the fact is a lot of people, mainly liberals, live in la-la land where they have actually convinced themselves crime doesn't exist. Most celebrities are the epitomy of this, the only threat to them is the paparazzi and over dosing on drugs.
                  Actually, the celebrities can afford to pay other people (with guns) to protect them from crime, where as the common layman cannot afford such protection and must provide for it himself.

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                  • #10
                    avdrummerboy
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 95

                    I wouldn't say that liberals believe that crime doesn't exist, they just believe as I said that somehow crime can and will be legislated out of existence. It has been said that a conservative is a liberal that has been robbed/ mugged/ fill in blank, and from what I have said I can see how that happens. I am also not saying that there are not extremists out there who do believe that crime somehow does not exist, but they are a small faction and seem to hold a lot of political power. I guess it's time that I start writing the reps, in some strange small hope that it will get me somewhere.

                    A last note, there is much power in numbers people. all it will take is for us to start speaking up.
                    http://paulkrwe.blogspot.com/



                    On killing in self defense: I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

                    I would also rather my friends and family come visit me in prison than come to visit my grave.

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                    • #11
                      M. Sage
                      Moderator Emeritus
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 19759

                      Originally posted by avdrummerboy
                      Secondly, why the second amendment was written. And oddly enough, the anti-gun people in a way are right, it wasn't written for us to always carry and protect ourselves, not too long ago we didn't need to.
                      I'm sorry, I agree with what you wrote for the most part, but this part bugs me. I honestly believe that the 2A was partially intended to cover common self-defense. I'll also point out that carrying guns for common self-defense is not a new concept or American tradition, or even a new necessity.



                      1903... rounded edges (now called "de-horned")? Check. Hammerless for no-snag draw from a pocket? Check. Pocket-sized? Check. That handgun is a purely defensive arm for everyday carry. I could find more examples, but I think you get the point that the need to carry a gun for self-defense is not new.
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                      • #12
                        dwa
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 2452

                        Originally posted by fullrearview
                        http://www.arng.army.mil/History.aspx

                        this is a link off their website.... Yes it was incorporated in 1903 but as it says they are the oldest part of our military. I had to look it up... I was just remembering what we were taught from my days in the army.
                        i disagree, military orginazations have a habit of claiming things that have nothing to do with them. NG was formed 1903, and english milita in the 1600s is not the united states army national guard. if you want a similar example read about the rangers they try to claim dan morgan and whole bunch of people throughout history. i think its more accurate to say that the NG was based off the milita concept as they are not now a milita rather second tier soliders.
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                        • #13
                          Theseus
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 2679

                          Originally posted by pnkssbtz
                          Actually, the celebrities can afford to pay other people (with guns) to protect them from crime, where as the common layman cannot afford such protection and must provide for it himself.
                          And here in CA, the only security that can carry concealed is.....YOU GUESSED IT!!! LEO!
                          Nothing to see here. . . Move along.

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                          • #14
                            fullrearview
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 9371

                            Originally posted by avdrummerboy
                            But before they were sucked up by the military, the militia was comprised of the ordinary people, all I was getting at is the fact that the first part of that amendment should be sufficient enough to mean that people have the right to keep and bear arms.

                            yes....I agree 100%...I was just trying to clarify the introduction of the guard, and the dates.
                            "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."~M.Twain~

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                            • #15
                              avdrummerboy
                              Junior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 95

                              In regards to M. Sage, I guess what I was thinking and worded if funny is that it was originally intended to allow us to carry weapons for defense from the government, and in todays "sheep" society I doubt that too many people would be willing to stand up to the Socialist States of America.
                              http://paulkrwe.blogspot.com/



                              On killing in self defense: I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

                              I would also rather my friends and family come visit me in prison than come to visit my grave.

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