ca sucks for more than just 2a issues

[sevendayweekend]

I think where we go wrong is to simply believe that sacremento has an active agenda to destroy the constitution etc. while that may be what what we end up with in the end, i'm still not sure "destroying the constitution" is what the motivation is. it would all be comical if our overlords didnt actually believe that they are doing good ( don't get me wrong f- 'em ALL ).
2a issues are simply a byproduct
our state has been circling the bowl for some time now, and we gotta recognize that it's not just 2a related. our guns will be gone along with the rest of the state.
what do you say?

[Doheny]

I say what are you doing to make things better ?

[Warrior King]

I think where we go wrong is to simply believe that sacremento has an active agenda to destroy the constitution etc. while that may be what what we end up with in the end, i'm still not sure "destroying the constitution" is what the motivation is. it would all be comical if our overlords didnt actually believe that they are doing good ( don't get me wrong f- 'em ALL ).
2a issues are simply a byproduct
our state has been circling the bowl for some time now, and we gotta recognize that it's not just 2a related. our guns will be gone along with the rest of the state.
what do you say?

Bread and Circuses?

Yeah I came to same conclusion. It is a mentality. Look at Bloomberg...when the guy was not regulating guns he was regulating how much soda people could drink and openly violating the rights of black and Hispanic youth. The same Bloomberg mentality is now running CA.

I'm hearing very diverse people not related to this forum, and not Republicans, who live in CA complain about the California Nanny State.

Everyone tells me about how hard it it to just get by, and that the people they know who are on welfare and disability are doing much better than those who work full time.

The resentment towards illegals coming from everywhere including Asia and taking jobs and benefits is now huge.

It is only a matter of time before there is a major urban riot. Name the city?

[phrogg111]

I think where we go wrong is to simply believe that sacremento has an active agenda to destroy the constitution etc. while that may be what what we end up with in the end, i'm still not sure "destroying the constitution" is what the motivation is. it would all be comical if our overlords didnt actually believe that they are doing good ( don't get me wrong f- 'em ALL ).
2a issues are simply a byproduct
our state has been circling the bowl for some time now, and we gotta recognize that it's not just 2a related. our guns will be gone along with the rest of the state.
what do you say?

How much time have you spent actually getting involved with politics?

How many times have you attended an event that a politician has held, where you actually get to speak to them?

How many times have you lobbied Congress?

Making a thread on here that threatens to do more of nothing isn't going to help.

Are you going to purposely stay out of politics, because you don't like politics, expecting that simply keeping your gun is going to make sure freedom isn't banned?

We all realize that a ban on freedom does not actually remove freedom from anyone.

[Cool Beans]

I left California in 1997 and just moved back.

I don't recognize this place anymore. The bravado is gone. The pride is gone. Everybody wants to leave. This isn't how life is supposed to be.

2A issues are a symptom, not the disease. The disease is rampant, unchecked liberalism. Until we get our liberal infestation under control we'll just be banging our heads against the wall with 2A issues. Every 2A victory is just one mass shooting away from being reversed and morphed into something worse than the original.

Now that I brought all that sunshine into the conversation, let me thank everybody here for making this forum what it is. It's an invaluable resource. And just think......at least we're not New York.

[LBDamned]

I left California in 1997 and just moved back.

I don't recognize this place anymore. The bravado is gone. The pride is gone. Everybody wants to leave. This isn't how life is supposed to be.

2A issues are a symptom, not the disease. The disease is rampant, unchecked liberalism. Until we get our liberal infestation under control we'll just be banging our heads against the wall with 2A issues. Every 2A victory is just one mass shooting away from being reversed and morphed into something worse than the original.

Now that I brought all that sunshine into the conversation, let me thank everybody here for making this forum what it is. It's an invaluable resource. And just think......at least we're not New York.

What craphole were you in that made you want to move back? NY?

Welcome to CGN

[jarhead714]

As long as "they" don't destroy the California Current, I'm staying. It's what's keeping that big ***** Hurricane Marie away from us you know.

[KHF1222]

It should not become an accepted social practice to allow any one group to continuously marginalize gun owners by
pushing for the passing of more and more laws under the guise of public safety. Its about gun owners becoming
politically weak by encumbering and burdening gun owners over time with laws that have little to do with public safety.
I know, 'Welcome to the party pal, its already happening'.

There should be more political activism by gun owners. Maybe consider for a moment that for many gun owners it takes all
the energy they have to get up and go to full-time work for long hours to put food on the table, a roof over the heads,
and clothes on the backs of their families, and just look after their own backyard and mind their own business.
Sometimes I think we may be a little harsh with what we consider to be non-activist gun owners. Many maybe NRA members
but keep it to themselves. Others may round up when shopping at MidwayUSA to donate to the NRA, or others may do other
quiet actions we do not know about. Sometimes its not all about chest thumping the 2A but knowing your audience, and
making just a casual mention of something as simple and easy to remember as 'check Calguns.com' in conversation is all
it takes to get just a little more participation of others to the shooting sports.

[tankarian]

I say what are you doing to make things better ?

If I may intervene: the first thing anyone who lives in CA and owns a gun should do "to make things better" is to stop voting and supporting the Democrat politicians who are taking away our rights. Those who don't understand this are no better than the Nazi extermination camp Kapos. I hope I don't have to explain to you what a Kapo was, how obediently they executed their Nazi masters orders and how disgusting their treachery and ratting against their fellow prisoners was.
A Democrat voting gun owner may pretend to care about the 2nd Amendment and he may yell he supports our cause from the top of his lungs; but in reality he is no better than the civil rights rapists from Sacramento who are tormenting us. He is an enabler of evil people and an enemy of liberty.

[KHF1222]

If I may intervene: the first thing anyone who lives in CA and owns a gun should do "to make things better" is to stop voting and supporting the Democrat politicians who are taking away our rights. Those who don't understand this are no better than the Nazi extermination camp Kapos. I hope I don't have to explain to you what a Kapo was, how obediently they executed their Nazi masters orders and how disgusting their treachery and ratting against their fellow inmates was.
A Democrat voting gun owner may pretend to care about the 2nd Amendment and he may yell he supports our cause from the top of his lungs; but in reality he is no better than the civil rights rapists from Sacramento who are tormenting us. He is an enabler of evil people and an enemy of liberty.

And that my friends is in essence how a left winger sees an "advocate" for the advancement of the 2nd Amendment.

[ja308]

If I may intervene: the first thing anyone who lives in CA and owns a gun should do "to make things better" is to stop voting and supporting the Democrat politicians who are taking away our rights. Those who don't understand this are no better than the Nazi extermination camp Kapos. I hope I don't have to explain to you what a Kapo was, how obediently they executed their Nazi masters orders and how disgusting their treachery and ratting against their fellow inmates was.
A Democrat voting gun owner may pretend to care about the 2nd Amendment and he may yell he supports our cause from the top of his lungs; but in reality he is no better than the civil rights rapists from Sacramento who are tormenting us. He is an enabler of evil people and an enemy of liberty.

It's more than that Tank, its gunowners who judge the Republican Party by what the anti gun media says about them . Honestly how dumbed down can gunowners get to use info from Anti gun sources ? Oh JA, your too harsh ! Even though these media entity's hate me so much as to deny my right to self defense. Even though they believe I didn't have a right to be born. Even though they mock, ridicule, denigrate the foundations of liberty, as a gunowner I should know what their doing ? I know what their doing ! Lying, disinformation and democrat propaganda .

Listen the person who wants to register, restrict or consficate your firearm is NOT your friend. Cut these people out of your life, for the sake of your liberty !

Way too many California gun owners are too cowardly and too illiterate to stand up for the party which controls every free state .

Even dumber than a gun owner who votes democrat is a gun owner who claims libertarian. They are the constant nemesis to the GOP and naturally they are above all criticism, because they are completely unelectable !

I for one am extremely proud of the GOP house led by John Boehnor that has stopped all fed gun control schemes ! I'm proud of W ! Who signed every pro gun bill in front of him and his Supreme Court Appointees .

Further I'm extremely proud of the republican governors and legislatures in every red state, where CCWs are encouraged, RKBA respected, the rule of law honored and sound finances implemented .

Libertarians and democrats, stay here ! Your NOT welcome in RED STATES !
You folks who achieved liberty in red states should shun transplanted Californians who admit to voting libertarian. That's right, look at them, turn your back and spit, tell them to take the carpet bag and go back to California .
Proud to be a republican, no extremely proud, as I view my new CCW issued by a red state govt.
Rant over .

[Jimi Jah]

Nothing wrong with California. It's a great place.

The people? Not so much.

[Warrior King]

California used to be part of the West. California used to be a symbol for innovation and freedom.

The people in California were very tolerant , friendly and open, and believed in letting others do their own thing, and giving them enough space to do it.

Now we have what I would call a Stalin style nanny state. The same people who have outlawed disposable shopping bags, forced Starbucks to put up signs warning patrons roasted coffee is carcinogenic, are micro legislating guns with the same fervor.

[tankarian]

Now we have what I would call a Stalin style nanny state. The same people who have outlawed disposable shopping bags, forced Starbucks to put up signs warning patrons roasted coffee is carcinogenic, are micro legislating guns with the same fervor.

It's all for your own good, but we the unwashed masses are just too stupid the realize it.
By the way, Gov. Brown has now officially welcomed illegal immigrants to California.
That's also for our own good, the working people of this great State. The unemployment rate is so low these days, it's just not good for the economy so the Governor saw the need to take the burden off us Californian workers and give the jobs to Mexican illegals.
Thank a liberal for that. And for the anti-gun laws that come pouring down from Sacramento.

[diverwcw]

California is definitely a battleground state for 2A. We have two major victories, Peruta and the 10 day waiting period. Even though we have these victories, nothing has changed. You can bet if the judge had ruled that the 10 wait was OK but a 20 day wait was even better, DOJ would have implemented that within minutes of the ruling.

The 2A issue would be a fairly moot point if gunowners were politically active. I know several people who haven't a clue as to what is going on in the legislative realm. When they find out they sit back and hope the bill doesn't pass. They don't pick up the phone to call their rep, they don't email them to voice opposition and when the do vote, they vote for the same axehats who impose these laws. A phone call takes about 30 seconds, an email takes about a minute and voting only takes a couple of minutes.

Another thing to realize in this state is that gun control is virtually always voted strictly along party lines. If you live in an area where your rep has a D after their name, you can be certain they have voted to restrict your freedom.

Another simple fact that political activism takes money. Not everybody can afford to buy a life membership to the NRA or CalGuns Foundation, but I'm pretty certain everybody can afford a $5 contribution from time to time.

A few of these legislators need to loose their jobs when it comes time for reelection and we need to see a massive smear campaign against the likes of DeLeon, Steinberg and Skinner. When other legislators see their former colleagues in the unemployment line, they will change their tune. It's those same legislators who are passing bills and spending our money on frivolous projects.

Up until now, the pro 2A movement had no leadership. However, I'm seeing a few names pop up from time to time and among them is Brandon Combs. He and CalGuns are taking these anti gun laws right back to the legislature and the DOJ.

I'm hoping with this leadership, we can go on the offensive instead of sitting back and letting the legislature slam it to us every time we turn around.