We're Fighting Half the Fight

[SOneThreeCoupe]

I don't need self defense. Most of us on this board don't need self defense.

UOC isn't about self-defense for me. It's about exercising a freedom I still have, and trying to educate the public while I'm at it. I, or anyone else who wants to UOC, would be doing something legal and perfectly within my rights as a citizen to do.

The legal system and the upper-division police bureaucracy are in need of an overhaul, and incorporation won't do that. Incorporation won't prevent fraudulent arrests and bureaucrat-sanctioned disinformation.

I understand that CGF wouldn't be behind me, and I'm ok with that. I accept responsibility for my actions and understand the dangers that UOC holds. Hell, I'm still deciding whether or not I'm going to do it because I cannot afford to miss class if I get arrested.

[Annie Oakley]

I asked this question on the other open carry thread, and I think it's appropriate to ask the same question on this thread.

I was just wondering, doesn't open carry and concealed carry go hand in hand ? What I mean is if a person open carries when it's cold, do they wear their gun on the outside of their jacket ? Or does a person just not wear their gun when they need a jacket ? Maybe someone who actually open carries could tell me what they do.

[M. Sage]

IMO, there are better ways to help out our image than open carry. Most sheeple in this state walk around in condition white and won't even notice the handgun. Those that do will probably just assume that you're a cop. You're better off being an "open gun owner" (the opposite of a closet gun owner), inviting your friends, neighbors and family shooting, and things like that.

It would be nice if NRA (or maybe CGF?) could get something like those City Arms radio spots that were mentioned, but maybe some billboards?

AR 30 at City Arms???? I'll run there to get one! (its not that far lol)

Race you!

[rkt88edmo]

so what is the U for ?

[1859sharps]

Fighting for rights is all well and good. "boston tea party" actions, all well and good. But is the time right for open carry? I would argue no, it's not. I would argue that open carry at this time is a counter productive wast of time and money.

IF you choose to open carry, get arrested, get the whole thing cleared up what have you gained? can I now open carry without fear of being arrested? how have you educated anyone? how have you make the RKBAs fight any better off?

I would argue you haven't. the time will come, but it's not now. I hope you don't choose to open carry at this time. If you feel you have the money to defend an open carry arrest, I would argue there are much better places to spend that money in the name of restoring RKBA.

concealed carry/open carry...the time will come, but I don't think it is now.

[hoffmang]

so what is the U for ?

Unloaded.

As to trying to riff on "need".... We all want to be able to carry unmolested by the legal system but that takes a short amount of time to get. You have two options to carry that are just as effective as unloaded open carry - trunk guns and briefcase "locked" carry. Please don't kid anyone that the desire to unloaded open carry is to do anything more than be seen.

-Gene

[Librarian]

I asked this question on the other open carry thread, and I think it's appropriate to ask the same question on this thread.

I was just wondering, doesn't open carry and concealed carry go hand in hand ? What I mean is if a person open carries when it's cold, do they wear their gun on the outside of their jacket ? Or does a person just not wear their gun when they need a jacket ? Maybe someone who actually open carries could tell me what they do.

Well, one needs to do one of those, because open excludes concealed, and under a jacket is definitely concealed.

RCMP (open carry)


NYPD (concealed carry - except this pic is from a uniform store, so the model might not actually be carrying.)

[SOneThreeCoupe]

Unloaded.

As to trying to riff on "need".... We all want to be able to carry unmolested by the legal system but that takes a short amount of time to get. You have two options to carry that are just as effective as unloaded open carry - trunk guns and briefcase "locked" carry. Please don't kid anyone that the desire to unloaded open carry is to do anything more than be seen.

-Gene

I agree that I want to be seen, Gene. I don't, however, want to be seen as a vigilante, badarse, or thug. I want to be seen as a responsible college student exercising his rights. I want to be seen as someone who dispels the myth that all gun owners are fanatics (at least in public... we'll keep these internet ramblings a secret).

I will be locked carrying in a Dillon Plan B, provided my P226 fits. I also plan on keeping my AR as a trunk gun.

I wear a Sig Sauer hat. The only person who's noticed it was ex-SDPD SWAT.

[hoffmang]

As I was posting in the UOC thread, as long as you can afford the to defend yourself from a false prosecution, you can UOC. After incorporation, you can do something to punish a false prosecution.

If I were in college and wanting to make sure I made it to class instead of wasting some part of tuition and my new gun fund, I'd wait until the end of the year for an Incorporation case, but that's just me and being a capitalist who like's black swans in my favor...

-Gene

[jaymz]

Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's a great idea. Be patient boys & girls.

[M. Sage]

I agree that I want to be seen, Gene. I don't, however, want to be seen as a vigilante, badarse, or thug. I want to be seen as a responsible college student exercising his rights. I want to be seen as someone who dispels the myth that all gun owners are fanatics (at least in public... we'll keep these internet ramblings a secret).

I will be locked carrying in a Dillon Plan B, provided my P226 fits. I also plan on keeping my AR as a trunk gun.

I wear a Sig Sauer hat. The only person who's noticed it was ex-SDPD SWAT.

People aren't going to see that. They're going to think you're a cop... If they notice that you have a gun!

[Annie Oakley]

Well, one needs to do one of those, because open excludes concealed, and under a jacket is definitely concealed.

RCMP (open carry)


NYPD (concealed carry - except this pic is from a uniform store, so the model might not actually be carrying.)

Sorry I took so long, but thank you for the information. It would seem then that a person who Open Carries, can only really do it if the weather is nice. So, it doesn't seem very practical to do it only sometimes and with the gun unloaded. I don't want to sound confrontational, but what's the point ?