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  • Ironchef
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2007
    • 2313

    New PC regarding badges on t-shirts?

    I learned last night at a training/meeting that there's a new PC item regarding non-sworn volunteers and not being able to wear any silk-screened, embroidered or otherwise affixed badges on shirts in public if you're not a sworn LEO (or other such volunteer operating in official capacity under direction of a LEA). I was told "a legislator" decided it would be unlawful for someone not carrying a gun to have any type of badge on a shirt.

    I know this is hardly 2A relevant, but it is about law and about LE...sooooo..if any cops/aspiring cops, pc junkies, attorneys, regular CGers, know, I'd like to know the section. I've been searching at findlaw for the last half hour or so and didn't find it.

    Thanks!
    Fleeing the PRK on 3/8/09!!
  • #2
    Bobula
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2007
    • 9371

    Originally posted by Ironchef
    I was told "a legislator" decided it would be unlawful for someone not carrying a gun to have any type of badge on a shirt.

    Thanks!
    Wonder if they'll make that apply to security.
    Originally posted by Kestryll
    Yeah, don't tell that rat bastard Kestryll, he'll shut it down.

    Fascist pig....

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    • #3
      scootergmc
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2006
      • 4089

      AB 1448 (2007) amended 538d PC (effective 1/1/08).
      Last edited by scootergmc; 08-21-2008, 5:08 PM.

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      • #4
        Liberty1
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2007
        • 5541

        Originally posted by scootergmc
        AB 1448 (2007) amended 538d PC (effective 1/1/08).
        538d. (a) Any person other than one who by law is given the
        authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses
        the authorized uniform, insignia, emblem, device, label, certificate,
        card, or writing, of a peace officer, with the intent of
        fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently
        inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a
        misdemeanor.
        (b) (1) Any person, other than the one who by law is given the
        authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses
        the badge of a peace officer with the intent of fraudulently
        impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief
        that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor
        punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year,
        by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both
        that imprisonment and fine.
        (2) Any person who willfully wears or uses any badge that falsely
        purports to be authorized for the use of one who by law is given the
        authority of a peace officer, or which so resembles the authorized
        badge of a peace officer as would deceive any ordinary reasonable
        person into believing that it is authorized for the use of one who by
        law is given the authority of a peace officer, for the purpose of
        fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently
        inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a
        misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to
        exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars
        ($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
        (c) Any person who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses, or who
        willfully makes, sells, loans, gives, or transfers to another, any
        badge, insignia, emblem, device, or any label, certificate, card, or
        writing, which falsely purports to be authorized for the use of one
        who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, or which so
        resembles the authorized badge, insignia, emblem, device, label,
        certificate, card, or writing of a peace officer as would deceive an
        ordinary reasonable person into believing that it is authorized for
        the use of one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer,
        is guilty of a misdemeanor, except that any person who makes or sells
        any badge under the circumstances described in this subdivision is
        subject to a fine not to exceed fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000).
        False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
        -- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/

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        • #5
          LOW2000
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Jan 2006
          • 941

          So does that ban this t-shirt?

          Front reads: "US Border Observation Agent"



          All comments are solely for educational purposes and are spoken in a hypothetical manner. The poster follows any and all statutes, codes, mandates, etc to the letter of the law.

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          • #6
            Matt C
            Calguns Addict
            • Feb 2006
            • 7128

            What about all the LE that are not peace officers by CA law? Like Military police, Homeland Security ect? This sounds like a really stupid law.
            I do not provide legal services or practice law (yet).

            The troublemaker formerly known as Blackwater OPS.

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            • #7
              MudCamper
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 4593

              How about this:



              Shameless plug: http://www.cafepress.com/citizenshirt

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              • #8
                Shotgun Man
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 4053

                Originally posted by LOW2000
                So does that ban this t-shirt?

                Front reads: "US Border Observation Agent"



                That would be illegal if worn "with the intent of fraudulently
                impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief
                that he or she is a peace officer." PC 535d (assuming the truth of the prior posts).

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                • #9
                  halifax
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4440

                  The local convenience mart has numerous ball caps on display with logos such as "FBI" and "ATF". I guess they are committing a misdemeanor for selling them.
                  Jim


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                  • #10
                    berto
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 7723

                    I feel safer already. And the children will sleep soundly tonight.
                    "There are no outdoor sports as graceful as throwing stones at a dictatorship." Ai WeiWei

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                    • #11
                      WokMaster1
                      Part time Emperor
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 5436

                      Next they will ban the Glock & HK T-shirts becuase you are not a Glock & HK representative. Those of you wearing " T-shirts", you WILL be arrested & charged if cannot proof the person you're referring to is actually stupid.
                      "Good friends, good food & good wine. Anything else is just a waste of soy sauce.":)

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                      • #12
                        Ironchef
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 2313

                        Interesting, the "label" language which is obviously more than just a "badge" as I had understood it. I guess the next question is at what point is a reasonable person going to assume someone wearing a tshirt or ball cap with insignia/badge/label, etc is a peace officer?

                        I wore my CCCSO OES shirt to the range Saturday and some guy asked me if I was a sheriff...guess he reasonably thought I was a peace officer...though he didn't read the wording under the badge insignia on the t-shirt that says "office of emergency services" etc. I told him I was a volunteer on the radio team.

                        Our group has khaki bdu's with sheriff's patches and our ARC team badge, and in times past, we used blue polos with official sheriff badges embroidered which are considered uniforms still (the t-shirts are not). And since the polos just got banned (Rupf is strict about uniforms), we can only wear the hot bdus..but en route to events/call-ups, we must keep emblems covered...i see now that it's probably because of the law since they're official uniforms...the t-shirts were the gray area so I guess I'll find out now.

                        Thanks for finding that section..i knew I tapped the best font of pc gurus in the state! Someone must have a lexis account!
                        Fleeing the PRK on 3/8/09!!

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                        • #13
                          Army
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 3915

                          Isn't it already illegal to impersonate a LEO/Peace Officer? What exactly will a redundant law actually accomplish....other than make the ignorant legislator "feeeel good"?
                          "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself...A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."......Cicero

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                          • #14
                            Shane916
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 5004

                            Originally posted by Army
                            Isn't it already illegal to impersonate a LEO/Peace Officer? What exactly will a redundant law actually accomplish....other than make the ignorant legislator "feeeel good"?
                            Possibly. It does allow LE to press additional charges against those who violate the law, which I feel is beneficial.

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                            • #15
                              SteveH
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 1576

                              The elements of the crime include very specific intent by the suspect. You can still wear your BATF, LAPD, FDNY shirts. You just cant do it with the intent to decieve people into believing you are a police officer.

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