Home Invaders Yelling "Police"

[beastie050]

Reading these articles about no knock raids is completely insane. Soo, you are going to bust into someones house (which may or may not be the right house) to raid it over a little pot? Ummmm, how many more years are we going to waste on this "War on Drugs"? It's obvious it's not working, time to drop it. I think I'd rather let a few drug dens stay vs accidentally killing an innocent person.

[inbox485]

Entirely. Just think of what doors have been opened for the next wave of Neo-Socialism, for them to take advantage of the allowances established during this current regime. While Obama won't be able to fully enjoy the benefits of his totalitarianism, it's an incremental process having set the stage for a much worse situation in decades to come.

Because once established, these things become standard protocol and are rarely EVER reversed.

I can't find a single thing Obama has actually done (not talked about, or gave some half attempt at before spiking, or whined about on The View, but actually done) that Bush wasn't on track to do. They might as well be clones. The next POS in office will be no different. It will be the exact same puppet handler up their rear. Only difference is if it happens to be GOP, the media might pretend to do their job for 4 years. Only cure is to walk away and stop contributing to the 50/50 split. Go forge liberty and defend it with all you got, and find a community where you live with too many people doing the same to be screwed with. I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it in my own ways.

As for the police issue, the only post incident solution I know of is live in a town solid enough that you don't have cops that stupid, and if something happens they are gone or the city council and mayor (and county board if needs be) are gone, and then they are too.

[inbox485]

Reading these articles about no knock raids is completely insane. Soo, you are going to bust into someones house (which may or may not be the right house) to raid it over a little pot? Ummmm, how many more years are we going to waste on this "War on Drugs"? It's obvious it's not working, time to drop it. I think I'd rather let a few drug dens stay vs accidentally killing an innocent person.

Not happening very soon. Cartels make black market premiums, PDs get WOD grants, sheeple have been brain washed to think that some tool getting high is somehow magnitudes worse than being drunk or chain smoking.

[beastie050]

Not happening very soon. Cartels make black market premiums, PDs get WOD grants, sheeple have been brain washed to think that some tool getting high is somehow magnitudes worse than being drunk or chain smoking.

Many years of media propaganda! Nixon declared the war in '71. I agree, it will take many years to undo.

[Jimi Jah]

Some of this is from the militarization of the local police forces. They have all that tactical stuff and want to use it. This is why SWAT is sent out for a domestic disturbance call. That was never done 40 years ago.

No-knock break-in's are very risky for all involved. The police know 1/2 the homes have weapons. This is a scenerio that can't come out well for either side.

What ever happened to "come out with your hands up"?

[inbox485]

Some of this is from the militarization of the local police forces. They have all that tactical stuff and want to use it. This is why SWAT is sent out for a domestic disturbance call. That was never done 40 years ago.

No-knock break-in's are very risky for all involved. The police know 1/2 the homes have weapons. This is a scenerio that can't come out well for either side.

What ever happened to "come out with your hands up"?

The most common claim is destruction of evidence. To be blunt, the judicial system values the possibility of evidence existing over human life.

The other side of this is all that gear has legitimate uses. It is never the inanimate tools that are the problem. It is when you have tools with pulses that you have a problem. Take even the worse case collection of media incidents, and you will notice a trend: it isn't even close to every agency having BS raids. A lot had one botch and got torn a new one, and a few just seem to make habits of it.

Like I said before, where I'm at, when SWAT gets called, it is barricaded suspect with bystanders/hostages or something along those lines and they don't roll in to play COD. SWAT there is boring enough that one guy I talked to said it is the only thing on the force lamer than traffic.

[jnojr]

The no-knock warrants have an added side affect in that burglars can now yell "Police" when they charge in and the home owners will have to think twice before reaching for protection...

[disintelligentsia]

There was a home invasion robbery a few years back a couple of blocks from my house. It was done by four guys dressed in windbreakers that had "Police" in large letters - and they yelled "Police" as they stormed the house. They bound everyone up and stole the car and as much stuff as they could load up in it. A similar robbery happened a couple of cities over too. One of the benefits the perps get from this is that anyone who sees the "police" breaking in will typically not report it.

As an aside, given what we see in the video, I think the crooks were looking for drugs. There invading a mobile home (not a typical target for high end electronics, jewelry or cash), the mobile home is covered by 8 cameras and related recording equipment and the victim had what appears to be multiple burn marks on his fingers which is typical with meth users because they handle hot glass pipes and they're jittery. The thugs who invaded his house either figured he had supplies for manufacturing or had a stash - it very well could have been a dealer or addicts who saw perhaps saw the guy make a purchase with a fat stack. I'm not justifying the invasion, but invasions are often drug related.

[disintelligentsia]

I want one of these doors!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET9SNXpeORY

Door 1, police 0

Also, from the video, these Romanian police were using balaclavas. Now thugs can look even more authentic during their home invasion AND conceal their identities.

Anyone who sees "police" making a no-knock invasion of someone's home should call the actual police to let them know what's going on. If it's legit they'll know, and if it's not then they need to know.

[phase1]

[rootuser]

But nothing like in the past 5 years.

Speaking of age, which I am not prone to do - I am old enough to have seen Nixon give his resignation, first hand, as it was broadcast. I can recall in the first-person, most all that you listed.

But I have never seen such a wide and rapid-spreading epidemic in these past 40 years, as I've seen spread exponentially in these past 5 years, of nearly every law-enforcement outfit ion this country donning wares like they were out to rival Navy Seal Team 6 with a little bit of Masada, Interpol, MI6, and representatives form the Umbrella Corporation thrown in for good measure.

You have seen a lot and I respect that.

If you will remember, as Vietnam was heating up, the SWAT team was invented. The LAPD rolled-out their first team in 1967. These were direct military tactics brought down on civilians. It's original name was Special Weapons Assault Team.

As soldiers returned from Vietnam, they brought their learned information with them and expanded on the "look and feel" of these teams and these teams began to permeate into the population.

Fast-forward to around 1983 I think and the LAPD again buys an armored B-100 and mounts a battering ram to it smashing down doors and houses like a tank.

Another 10 years, after Operation Desert Shield/Storm, helicopters are in full use by police departments and they begin using heat detection and other technologies only available to the military prior to that. That expands in to the use of night vision later in the decade.

I think what we have seen post-Iraq and Afghanistan is typical of what we expect because we allow it to happen. The change of dress I find less disturbing than the tactics and weaponry, but it has been a long time in coming. Changing from black tactical outfit to multi-cam is really nothing more than superficial by itself. It "looks" about as intimidating as one of those black rifles the anti-2A all complain about. Same mortal men underneath trying to eek out a living.