Good Moral Character CCW

[sdsguy87]

Hi folks,

I was looking over the paperwork for the CCW and I noticed it asked for the moving violations in the past 5 years. I've only received 2 speeding tickets. I'm 27 now, I know I got my first one when I was 17 but I can't remember when I got the last one. I did classes for both, so I don't believe they should be on record any more but how do I find out when I got my last?

Also, I was one time pulled over for exhibition of speed and the officer asked me if I had been drinking that night. I told her yes, although I only had 2 beers I chose to be honest. She didn't make me do a sobriety test and I wasn't given a citation or anything other than a verbal warning and told to walk my "F'n butt back home" which I was extremely grateful for. Does this get recorded anywhere?

[crazyScott90]

If you were able to take care of them with traffic school, they are likely masked from your public record (insurance company can't see it). Law enforcement can still see them though. You should find out if the last one happened in the last 5 years and disclose it on the application. You should be able to cheaply and quickly get your driving record from the DMV website. Alternatively, you could try calling the traffic court and asking for them to pull up your case info.

You should be aware that if that last speeding ticket did happen in the last five years you could very well be denied for good moral character. It's already happened to at least one or two other people on here that I can remember.

As far as the getting pulled over, you got very, very lucky. It shouldn't count against you since you were never arrested or charged/convicted of anything. The police typically generate some kind of written report for any official contact with a member of the public, but that's not something that should show up on a background check.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Usual disclaimers: I am not a lawyer, I could have no idea what I'm talking about, etc. etc.

[jrwhitt]

Go to the DMV and ask for an H6 printout. That will get you the last 10 years of records. It costs $5

The online version (that costs $2) only gets the last 3 years

[JDay]

Just get a DMV printout if you don't know the dates.

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[Grakken]

People that get denied over this BS about a speeding ticket, please say someone will take them to court over this? How does this prove not "Good moral character"?

[Jason95357]

Just get a DMV printout if you don't know the dates.

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Get it anyway to make sure you are correct and not missing anything.

[44.shooter.lb]

People that get denied over this BS about a speeding ticket, please say someone will take them to court over this? How does this prove not "Good moral character"?

Since nobody has been denied yet because of a traffic ticket people are only assuming that this is what departments will use for justification of denial.

An example of how they might use it for not good moral character is will to break laws. If you are willingly breaking the traffic laws, why wouldn't you be willing to break other laws as you see fit?

Not agreeing with this, but just saying.

[IVC]

An example of how they might use it for not good moral character is will to break laws. If you are willingly breaking the traffic laws, why wouldn't you be willing to break other laws as you see fit?

No, can't do.

Unlike "good cause," "good moral character" is used much more widely and cannot be easily tweaked to fit an agenda.

Consider a lawsuit where we start questioning the (potential) abuses of "good moral character" by comparing it to the "good moral character" as used in immigration law, or as used by police departments. It would yield some very, very interesting results.

[crazyScott90]

Since nobody has been denied yet because of a traffic ticket people are only assuming that this is what departments will use for justification of denial.

This is just not true. There's already been at least one thread here where a person was denied for good moral character with the only thing on his record being a few tickets spread out over the course of many years. Use that search function.

[Doheny]

Good Moral Character CCW

Since nobody has been denied yet because of a traffic ticket people are only assuming that this is what departments will use for justification of denial.



An example of how they might use it for not good moral character is will to break laws. If you are willingly breaking the traffic laws, why wouldn't you be willing to break other laws as you see fit?



Not agreeing with this, but just saying.

There have been recent posts from folks who have been denied due to their number of tickets.

EDIT: looks like Scott beat me to it. /\

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[sdsguy87]

If you were able to take care of them with traffic school, they are likely masked from your public record (insurance company can't see it). Law enforcement can still see them though. You should find out if the last one happened in the last 5 years and disclose it on the application. You should be able to cheaply and quickly get your driving record from the DMV website. Alternatively, you could try calling the traffic court and asking for them to pull up your case info.

You should be aware that if that last speeding ticket did happen in the last five years you could very well be denied for good moral character. It's already happened to at least one or two other people on here that I can remember.

As far as the getting pulled over, you got very, very lucky. It shouldn't count against you since you were never arrested or charged/convicted of anything. The police typically generate some kind of written report for any official contact with a member of the public, but that's not something that should show up on a background check.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Usual disclaimers: I am not a lawyer, I could have no idea what I'm talking about, etc. etc.

I know I was VERY lucky. I'll take a verbal lashing any day over the ramifications. Chula Vista PD has been very nice to me.

I'll go to the DMV and pull up my driving record. I want to say it's been over 5 years but I just can't remember.

[J.D.Allen]

You can check your driving record online at dmv.ca.gov for two bucks

[CCWFacts]

Unlike "good cause," "good moral character" is used much more widely and cannot be easily tweaked to fit an agenda.

Consider a lawsuit where we start questioning the (potential) abuses of "good moral character" by comparing it to the "good moral character" as used in immigration law, or as used by police departments. It would yield some very, very interesting results.

Thank you! I'm tired of people posting FUD about GMC. It has already been litigated extensively for decades. I am certain that nearly every department has sworn officers with misdemeanor convictions, traffic tickets, etc, who have good enough moral character to be sworn officers. They can't then turn around and say, "you got a speeding ticket 3 years ago? you lack GMC!"

Immigrants (future Democrats), apparently, can have GMC even if they are gang members.

[Decoligny]

Hi folks,

I was looking over the paperwork for the CCW and I noticed it asked for the moving violations in the past 5 years. I've only received 2 speeding tickets. I'm 27 now, I know I got my first one when I was 17 but I can't remember when I got the last one. I did classes for both, so I don't believe they should be on record any more but how do I find out when I got my last?

Also, I was one time pulled over for exhibition of speed and the officer asked me if I had been drinking that night. I told her yes, although I only had 2 beers I chose to be honest. She didn't make me do a sobriety test and I wasn't given a citation or anything other than a verbal warning and told to walk my "F'n butt back home" which I was extremely grateful for. Does this get recorded anywhere?

One offense you know happened more than 5 years ago.

The other offense should be written up like this: "I am unsure of the exact date or whether it falls inside the 5 year time frame, but I was pulled over and ticketed for XXX in the city of YYY."

This should cover it. You are not hiding the fact that you were ticketed, and if they do find one ticket on the record in the past five years, they will know that you disclosed to the best of your recollection.

As far as paying for a DMV printout, by law the Sheriff cannot require that you pay for anything other than the fees/training/prints for the CCW.

[44.shooter.lb]

This is just not true. There's already been at least one thread here where a person was denied for good moral character with the only thing on his record being a few tickets spread out over the course of many years. Use that search function.

Why do I need to use the search function?

One thread with a person who claims the reason they were denied was a few traffic tickets spread out over the course of many years?

Throw a little logic at that. You don't think that your average person has a few traffic tickets over the course of many years? So apply that logic to issuing CCWs - why aren't there DOZENS of threads speaking to denials based on traffic tickets?

Also I said A traffic ticket - not a couple. Which in my experience when people say "a couple" its usually a lot more, oh yeah and a DUI or two that they didn't mention.