whats the deal with CaRTC? why does he attack Calguns?

[michaelthetrojan]

So what's the big issue with Charles Nichols and Calguns?
He attacks Calguns with a lot of hostility even though we are on the same side... I think?

Every one of the major so called gun-rights group oppose Open Carry so don't sing their praises here. Especially CalGuns, the NRA, California Rifle and Pistol Association and the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) all of which have lawsuits seeking to keep California's Open Carry ban in place.

I, on the other hand, filed a Federal lawsuit seeking to overturn California's 1967 ban on open carry...

Either way I have faith in Calguns.

Kes? Any thoughts?

http://californiarighttocarry.org/

https://www.facebook.com/CaliforniaRightToCarry

[CitaDeL]

When you are the sole inhabitant of the island of Narcissus, a legend in your own mind, a self educated expert on laymen's legal pedantry, and unwilling to listen to counsel-including those who have demonstrated successes in our highest courts, who's side would you really be on?

[michaelthetrojan]

Yes but that doesn't explain why he attacks calguns.

[CitaDeL]

Yes but that doesn't explain why he attacks calguns.

He is under the mistaken assumption that every member here (as well as everyone from the CRPA, the NRA, CGF, and SAF) is against open carry- ergo, none of us believe in the second amendment because they have not lent their support to his self-filed lawsuit.

/thread.

[taperxz]

Why don't you ask Charles?

[HowardW56]

Why don't you ask Charles?

Very good!


He functions much like Moms Demand Action, attack and attempt to silence anyone critical of him. Post a reasonable question on his Facebook pages, and it gets deleted and you get banned....

[michaelthetrojan]

Very good!

He doesn't respond to any of my messages
4 total in 15 months time

[HowardW56]

Very good!


He functions much like Moms Demand Action, attack and attempt to silence anyone critical of him. Post a reasonable question on his Facebook pages, and it gets deleted and you get banned....

He doesn't respond to any of my messages
4 total in 15 months time

I edited my response... I know, he only responds to his adoring cheerleaders...

[scarville]

It seem to me the big division is over open carry versus carry in some, as yet, undefined manner. Nichols seems to think that open carry is the protected right whereas Calguns seems to be trying for a pro carry decision without regard to how it is carried. Nichols has a point but the Calguns strategy (if I am interpreting it correctly) is better for the long run.

As a practical matter, open carry is just too scary for the "straights" to be comfortable with. That is not a legitimate excuse for restricting a right but a generic carry decision that creates a (virtual) shall issue environment can be expanded later. An open carry decision could easily leave the current shall-issue concealed carry regime in place.

OTOH, I am an engineer not a lawyer.

[Wrangler John]

It's human nature. No matter how principled or how flawed one opinion is, the mere existence of that opinion will create its opposing viewpoint out of the ground of human psychology.

If we craft a plan to do something, or have made a discovery that will vastly improve the human condition, the human psyche is programmed to generate a set of contradictions within a given population. These contrary views are usually subjective, based on personality traits, rather than objective where the cause and effect of the proposal is based on actual observation or experience. Consider the statement that where more people have access to firearms, including concealed weapons, crime is statistically lower. This fact, born out by actual statistical evidence, causes immediate emotionally based contradiction and vehement opposition in a segment of the population.

Always expect success in any endeavor to generate a nemesis acting as a spoiler to appear, it's all part of the natural world's balancing act.

[michaelthetrojan]

I hope Kes chimes in

[HowardW56]

I hope Kes chimes in

Just curious, WHY?

[taperxz]

I hope Kes chimes in

What does Kes have to do with Nichols lawsuit?

I am sure he has his own opinion of it but for the most part Kes is going to be more concerned with Forum rules than Nichols lawsuit.

[Jason95357]

As a practical matter, open carry is just too scary for the "straights" to be comfortable with.

For many, just the sight of handguns makes them feel unreasonably unsafe.

I know a guy who grew up shooting vermim with rifles on the ranch. Never shot a handgun, and even inherited a bunch from his uncle - and never shot them. I don't understand how someone can have shot a rifle and understand basic firearms safety, but be afraid of handguns - but yet this otherwise reasonable person thinks this way.

I am sure this same person would be very opposed to Open Carry.

[michaelthetrojan]

What does Kes have to do with Nichols lawsuit?

I am sure he has his own opinion of it but for the most part Kes is going to be more concerned with Forum rules than Nichols lawsuit.

Because Kes would better know why this guy is nuts and accuses every other pro gun organization to keep the ban in effect.

Like some of the previous thoughts. He is on his own island for many reason,
But could it actually be a lack of monetary support that he is malicious towards everyone to the point of attacking someone publicly?