ruger ceo "we provided mags during dorner hunt"

[mag360]

In the interview with tom Gresham on sunday ruger ceo acknowledged he provided standard capacity mags for the ruger rifles as there was a shortage. What a perfect opportunity to put it on center stage that California law is unworkable. Instead he sold them because he was just looking out for the best interests of the officers.

Dont know about you but best interests or not he gave up all kinds of political bargaining power by doing this. the unions are happy that their donors (police) are happy so we will get stuck with more gun bills as the union was never held to the fire for supporting this crap in the first place.

[mossy]

ok, here is the hard truth. RUGER IS A BUSINESS. they care about their bottom line. everything else comes second. they will NEVER stop selling to LEO in CA,NY and anywhere else there is money on the table. back in the day Ruger was very anti 2A and did not want civilians getting those neat folding stocks for the mini 14, they have come a long way, but don't expect them to be making any huge statements about our rights anytime soon. we are going to get stuck with gun bills no matter what happens, THIS IS CA. they will write and pass everything they want, the only hope we have is the supreme court, but i don't think they will be taking any more major gun cases.

[HPBrowningMK3]

... back in the day Ruger was very anti 2A and did not want civilians getting those neat folding stocks for the mini 14...

Very true, Bill Ruger was an anti 2A sob. After he died, Ruger started to change.

[POLICESTATE]

ok, here is the hard truth. RUGER IS A BUSINESS. they care about their bottom line. everything else comes second. they will NEVER stop selling to LEO in CA,NY and anywhere else there is money on the table. back in the day Ruger was very anti 2A and did not want civilians getting those neat folding stocks for the mini 14, they have come a long way, but don't expect them to be making any huge statements about our rights anytime soon. we are going to get stuck with gun bills no matter what happens, THIS IS CA. they will write and pass everything they want, the only hope we have is the supreme court, but i don't think they will be taking any more major gun cases.

Yeah they are making their choice: to **** where they eat. I guess they feel there is more than enough money to make in government sales than in civilian if they alienate most gun owners against them.

[mossy]

Yeah they are making their choice: to **** where they eat. I guess they feel there is more than enough money to make in government sales than in civilian if they alienate most gun owners against them.

CA is not where they eat though. We are only a small part, and they are not alienating most gun owners, because most gun owners do not have a AWB or magazine bans.

[Apocalypsenerd]

With very few exceptions, businesses are not powerful enough to have an affect on the political landscape. The firearms industry is WAY too fragmented and small to have any real say in a large structure like the CA government. It is up to the voters to provide the political playing field. So far, CA voters have done a poor job of supporting their own self-defense rights.

Manufacturers need to be profitable. If we, as a state, provide fewer revenue streams, the businesses will focus on those streams. Ruger hasn't taken a **** where it eats. We have.

Yeah they are making their choice: to **** where they eat. I guess they feel there is more than enough money to make in government sales than in civilian if they alienate most gun owners against them.

[Hoooper]

ok, here is the hard truth. RUGER IS A BUSINESS. they care about their bottom line. everything else comes second. they will NEVER stop selling to LEO in CA,NY and anywhere else there is money on the table. back in the day Ruger was very anti 2A and did not want civilians getting those neat folding stocks for the mini 14, they have come a long way, but don't expect them to be making any huge statements about our rights anytime soon. we are going to get stuck with gun bills no matter what happens, THIS IS CA. they will write and pass everything they want, the only hope we have is the supreme court, but i don't think they will be taking any more major gun cases.

a handful of magazines does not reflect on ruger's bottom line at all

[Quiet]

Ruger supplied more magazines to the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department, which is one of the handful of LE agencies in the USA that still uses the Ruger Mini-14 as their standard issue rifle. Perhaps Ruger did this in order to maintain good relations with the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department and ensure that the San Bernardino County Sheriff Department maintains using the Ruger Mini-14 or acquires the Ruger SR-556 (when they finally get the budget to switch to an AR15 style platform) and not switch to another manufacturer.

[Mitch]

ok, here is the hard truth. RUGER IS A BUSINESS. they care about their bottom line. everything else comes second.

And, like Smith & Wesson, a publicly-owned business. The management and directors have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to maximize profits.*

Anyone on Calguns can buy shares in Ruger and express their feelings in person at Ruger's AGM. If you had bought shares last June, you would nearly have doubled your money by now.



* Which is one reason the position taken by smug media pundits, that Ruger and Smith & Wesson are leaving the California market in a huff, to make a political point, is so stupid and absurd. If they actually abandoned the largest state in the Union for no good reason, shareholder lawsuits would fly.

[uxo2]

B&B guns

[BigJ]

My problem with the "its a business" line is that it ignores what happens when government gets involved. It stops being just a business, as it should be, and instead becomes politics.

This is what you get when you try to legislate capitalism.

[Wiz-of-Awd]

a handful of magazines does not reflect on ruger's bottom line at all

Unless it's seen as a goodwill gesture that later turns into a contract or other large purchase by some agency.

A.W.D.

[mag360]

QUICK FACTS: CA
Population1: 37,349,363
Number of Law Enforcement Agencies2: 509
Officers per 100,000 Population2: 217
Average Annual Salary (Patrol)3: $77,290
1 U.S. Census Bureau, 2010
2 Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2008
3 Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2010
- See more at: http://discoverpolicing.org/map/?fa=....ge3qMe9Z.dpuf

So we have 82,000 leo's. We ran over a million dros last year and **** some of us put 5,10,15 guns on a dros. We are DWARFING leo sales by orders of magnitude. My only justification that all manufacturers dont just cut the whole state off are they dont see the long run downsides of the unions undermining OUR ability to buy guns. Only the short term meager positives of a few more yhousand guns or in this case magazines.

[Norsemen308]

CA is not where they eat though. We are only a small part, and they are not alienating most gun owners, because most gun owners do not have a AWB or magazine bans.

very erroneous statement. CA is the largest gun buying population in the country and several manufactures have backed this up with their own statements (recently LWRC). while we do not account for the "whole country", the buying population is a large percentage.

the fact is the OP is asking Ruger to go "anti-cop", thats the only way the media will paint this picture, "the NRA and gunmakers want cops dead".

I would love gun makers to start following CA rules for everyone, however, I feel it would be a PR nightmare in a political sense. with our luck a federal "LEO protection act of 2016" would finally put on paper that certain individuals have more rights than others.

[ja308]

With very few exceptions, businesses are not powerful enough to have an affect on the political landscape. The firearms industry is WAY too fragmented and small to have any real say in a large structure like the CA government. It is up to the voters to provide the political playing field. So far, CA voters have done a poor job of supporting their own self-defense rights.

Manufacturers need to be profitable. If we, as a state, provide fewer revenue streams, the businesses will focus on those streams. Ruger hasn't taken a **** where it eats. We have.

You got it ! Well said !

As a side note; considering the rounds put into civilian vehicles during the Dorner manhunt. Having those LEOs swap mags may not have been all that bad !