Have Enough Faith In You Cali "Legal" AR?

[sv_sniper]

No, I won't use my off-list ARs. They are all bare receivers now.

I would grab my semi-auto pistol and two more spare mags (full of rounds).

[AxonGap]

My FAB-10?! That would be a poor choice!

If the "shuck" sound of my Rem 870 is'nt enough, the 00 buckshot will be.

[PanzerAce]

nope, dont have any faith in a couple peices of non moving metal. plus, for general HD, I would use the AK I am going to build up first. atleast that thing MIGHT be useful. but because of the legal situation, i would probably grab a Mosin or Mauser.

[DrjonesUSA]

I just read the post reguarding a burguler being shot by the resident. My question is, would you have enough faith in the legality of our fixed mag AR's to use them in self defense? If someone was breaking in downstairs in the middle of the night, would you grab your fixed mag AR for self defense purposes?

Keep in mind, I am not questioning the reliability of your rifle, nor am I worried about over penitration, but personally (this is a hypethetical question) I am worried about explaining to LE afterward. What are your thoughts?

Reliability/caliber issues are a moot point as I can NOT see it being a good thing from a legal standpoint to use an off-list lower in a self-defense shooting.

[shopkeep]

Given the ballistics of rifle ammunition, I would use one of my shotguns or handguns for home defense. There are significant dangers posed to innocent bystanders in medium to high density urban settings when rifle ammunition penetrates walls. 9mm hollow points and buckshot will not penetrate the walls of my home and pose a threat to anyone but my assailant.

As for the legality of my off-list rifles, I am not one bit afraid. I have nothing to hide and I have NOT broken any laws.

[DrjonesUSA]

9mm hollow points and buckshot will not penetrate the walls of my home and pose a threat to anyone but my assailant.

Nothing could be further from the truth:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

[shopkeep]

Nothing could be further from the truth:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

If the .30 carbine penetrated all 4 walls chances are fairly good that a 9mm handgun would also penetrate at least 3 if not 4.

[DrjonesUSA]

If the .30 carbine penetrated all 4 walls chances are fairly good that a 9mm handgun would also penetrate at least 3 if not 4.

Yes and 00 Buck will also penetrate many walls, as shown in the link I posted.

[Evil Gun]

I don't use a rifle round as a homey d gun. I use my Colt 1991 for my home defense weapon. Or my 12 gauge.

[Charliegone]

No, I won't use my off-list ARs. They are all bare receivers now.

I would grab my semi-auto pistol and two more spare mags (full of rounds).

You could just chuck it at em'. Who knows you can poke and eye out or something and make them cry.

[klmmicro]

I have enough faith in the firearm istself. Will my OLL funtion when I need it? Yes, it will. A thousand rounds through it with only one hic-up and that was a bad piece of ammunition. I do not doubt it will work as spec'd in the heat of the moment.

The real question is, why would I grab it in an HD situation? Most likely I would not, unless it was the closest at hand. Because I have better tools at my disposal, it would be low on my list. My 870 is easily as good, and I am well practiced with it. That is my "go to". Is your OLL you only defensive arm? Then you situation is different and you will gavitate towards it if you need a defensive firearm I suppose.

Shopkeep: As for buckshot not penetrating walls, who the heck told you that? It most certainly will! So will pistol rounds, even hollowpoints. I think you are refering to "birdshot". The .223 actually shows to be one of the better rounds in HD because of its fragmenting characteristics. Less likely to overpenetrate barriers such as walls an the like as it breaks apart in the first couple of layers of drywall.

A rule of thumb, hi velocity low/weight bullets tend to penetrate less. There are exceptions based on bullet design (Barnes X are solid copper), but this holds true for most rounds.

[DrjonesUSA]

The .223 actually shows to be one of the better rounds in HD because of its fragmenting characteristics. Less likely to overpenetrate barriers such as walls an the like as it breaks apart in the first couple of layers of drywall.

That is NOT true: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

.223 went through ALL FOUR SIMULATED WALLS and showed NO signs of fragmentation.

[klmmicro]

That is NOT true: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

.223 went through ALL FOUR SIMULATED WALLS and showed NO signs of fragmentation.

My bad I guess. There is another site out there that showed different results. There was nothing left but small fragments. I will try to find it as it has been a couple of years.

[DrjonesUSA]

My bad I guess. There is another site out there that showed different results. There was nothing left but small fragments. I will try to find it as it has been a couple of years.

Ok.

Check to make sure the bullets used in the tests are the same.