Armatix iP1 "Owner Authorized" Electronic Handgun on the Roster

[Bt Doctur]

just says if not "on target" it wont fire.So ,wounded and shooting upward or wounded on the roof shooting downward it wont fire.

[chris]

anything that makes gun ownership cumbersome, expensive and restrictive the CaDOJ will be happy.

[curtisfong]

I would like to think that end result, or even the threat of that result wouldn't pass any kind of scrutiny.

It would pass strict scrutiny anywhere in the 9th, and rational basis everywhere else.

[SanPedroShooter]

It would pass strict scrutiny anywhere in the 9th, and rational basis everywhere else.

Are you saying that a not unsafe handgun roster consisting only of a handful of 10k+ firearm gadgets would pass rational basis?

I don't understand.

[2nd Mass]

After doing a little searching, the price seems to be about $10K for the basic gun. I don't imagine it would be a hot seller. Of course, that would please CA DOJ.

10k for all handguns was probably part of the original idea behind the law. Make firearms ownership cost prohibitive.

[truthseeker]

Make the LEO's start using them if they are so great!!

You know, the whole "lead by example" argument!!

[Off the Roster]

the H&K tie in is interesting. armatix succeeded in getting laws changed in germany to sell their electronic "d*ldo" (their word not mine) but succeeding with a whole gun is a different world completely. i am going to try to testdrive one tomorrow or friday.

[JoshuaS]

The Armatrix was on the recently added list not too long ago, when it was added.

My understanding is that it does not have microstamping, because it was submitted prior to that being required, though it wasn't listed until after.

There have been at least two thread on this already.

This gun, which does not have microstamping, could not get approved if it were submitted today. Unless Steinberg gets his way and adds "user authorized device" to the roster, this is little more than a curiosity even to us Californians.

New Jersey, however, is screwed. Their law states that 2 years after guns with such technology are commercially available, all handguns must have said technology to be sold.

This particular one is not actually commercially available, last I checked, in the US. They were planning on opening to the US market sometime this year. The rostering might have been done when it was it get in under the wire with respect to mircostamping.

Which raises a question...those behind this gun actively lobby for laws requiring such technology. They were delayed in making it because gun manufacturers largely told them to beat it. Since they care little about gun rights and such, I am sure they would eagerly incorporate microstamping if they thought they could. Since even they did not, what does that say about microstamping even being feasible?

[CrazyPhuD]

We should support the passage of SB293....while simultaneously developing a 50BMG owner authorized pistol that will retail for $20K+.

Short term pain....long term gain.

[Dutch3]

the H&K tie in is interesting.

Do tell.

i am going to try to testdrive one tomorrow or friday.

So these anomalies are available at retail locally?

[Dutch3]

The Armatrix was on the recently added list not too long ago, when it was added.

My understanding is that it does not have microstamping, because it was submitted prior to that being required, though it wasn't listed until after.

This gun, which does not have microstamping, could not get approved if it were submitted today. Unless Steinberg gets his way and adds "user authorized device" to the roster, this is little more than a curiosity even to us Californians.

SB 293 will add "user authorized" to the roster and negate microstamping.

How long does a gun remain on the "recently added" list?

Guns on the "recently dropped" list go back several years.

[gigglemonkee]

don't forget that it failed LEO tests because if in the event of an altercation the watch broke then the gun became useless. Also it is a .22

[Dutch3]

don't forget that it failed LEO tests because if in the event of an altercation the watch broke then the gun became useless. Also it is a .22

So, a gun that failed LE safety test is available to citizens, but guns that fail the .gov safety test are available to LE.

It is a crazy world.

[gigglemonkee]

"Which brings us around to that whiz-bang technology. Wanna shoot their iP1 .22LR pistol? No prob. Just punch your 5-digit PIN into the watch. Which shouldn’t be simple in the dark. With a bad guy coming at you in your bedroom. At zero dark thirty.

Plan on toting it? Cool! Punch your code in, slip the gun in your pocket or holster and off you go, ready to rock. Just be careful because, as the Armatix site details, the gun has a 15-inch “operating distance.” So if you have your gun on your waist and reach over your head for something, there’s a good chance your gun will go dormant. You’ll just have to pop your code back in to wake it up. Assuming you realize it. Or will the gun beep when shutting down?"

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/03/daniel-zimmerman/armatix-smart-system-rfid-pistol-and-watch-coming-to-the-us/

[gigglemonkee]

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/242500.pdf

also a good read on the subject