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  • Chatterbox
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1243

    Europeans have laxer gun laws than Californians

    An Italian poster on AR15.com has just posted a picture of his new rifle, and in the process he was asked about Italian gun laws. This is what he said:
    to reply to the gun laws question: they are a mess.
    To buy any kind of firearm you need a license and you need to register the firearm and the ammo.
    you candetain max 200 pistol rounds and max 1500 rifle/shotgun rounds, + 5kg gunpowder.
    5,56x45mm weapons and ammo is illegal. .223 weapons and ammo are legal.
    same goes with .308 and 7,62x51 so all weapons on civ market will be marked .308 and .223, same goes with ammo.
    9mm para is illegal, so they created the 9x21mm IMI specifically to circumvent the law, so you can buy ANY 9mm gun, but itll be marked 9x21 (beretta, glock, walther, HK, SW Sig, you name it..) silencers are banned, modifying a weapon in any way that "incrases its lethality" (retarded definition by law.. practically shortening barrel, or cutting stock for example) will get you in serious trouble changing a standard grip for a hogue or adding a rail wont give you probs though.

    weapons are classified with a magazine round count. Until 2 years ago magazines were strictly controlled and had to be registered ("i own x amount of y round mags for z pistol) ar15s used to be 5 or 10 max, now there have been some more liberal laws and theyre up to 29 (wtf, i know) but still you use a 30rounder.. you go to jail (noone cares though, nobody really checks and everybody uses them, for sport shooting in private clubs at any rate.)
    magazines no longer need to be registered and can be bought and sold freely, so now you can easily buy 30 rounders (usually around 30 euros each) and even beta cmags if u have the money to waste.. always best not to be caught using them though..

    you can own a maximum of 3 "common" weapons and 7 "sporting weapons" and infinite "hunting rifles" (any ar15 qualifies as hunting, since more recent laws, 2 years ago some were considered sporting rifles, for example just because they had a match barrel, and therefore would be in a limited number.
    "common weapons" are generally defensive pistols. i cant own more than 3 beretta 98 for example, but i could still buy a smith & wesson compensated revolver with adjustable sights for example because it would be considered sporting.. blah blah.. ..its a bit complex and extremely retarded, but what matters is that you can own infinite ar 15s (YAY!) im on my second, i think itll be a while before i reach infinte - heeehee
    THAKS EVERYONE FOR THE COMMENTS! im so excited about this jewel!
    Besides ammo storage limits, their gun laws are actually more lenient than US California. I won't even start on Czech republic, where gun laws are generally on the par with freer US states.
    Last edited by Chatterbox; 11-23-2013, 9:14 PM.
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    Scuba951
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 1037

    Originally posted by Chatterbox

    Besides ammo storage limits, their gun laws are actually more lenient than US. I won't even start on Czech republic, where gun laws are generally on the par with freer US states.
    LOL WUT?

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    • #3
      2nd4ever
      Member
      • May 2013
      • 128

      And Italy seems to have a much lower firearm related death rate:

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      • #4
        Chatterbox
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 1243

        Originally posted by Scuba951
        LOL WUT?
        Sorry, California. Although, note the absence of SBR-specific laws.
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        • #5
          a1c
          CGSSA Coordinator
          • Oct 2009
          • 9098

          That is just not true.

          The only point where some Europeans might have it easier is that in some countries they can actually legally own full auto weapons (after much paperwork and considerable expense).

          That's it.

          Otherwise, if you think for one minute that they have it easier over there, you really, really need to research this a little better. I can assure you that not just owning but also transporting and shooting firearms and ammo is a LOT more regulated, restricted and expensive than in California.

          You think in those countries you can just take your rifle, throw it in the back of your car and drive to the woods to shoot it?

          Nope. Even in Switzerland, you can only shoot in designated ranges. You need to fill out a lot of paperwork, and buying, transporting and storing ammo and firearms is heavily regulated - a LOT more than in California.

          So stop spreading FUD.
          Last edited by a1c; 11-23-2013, 10:07 PM.
          WTB: French & Finnish firearms. WTS: raw honey, tumbled .45 ACP brass, stupid cat.

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          • #6
            SonofWWIIDI
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Nov 2011
            • 21583

            Originally posted by 2nd4ever
            And Italy seems to have a much lower firearm related death rate:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate
            That's because the mafia will typically take you out in the desert, or to the local meat processong plant, and you just disappear. No added statistic for violent crime committed using guns. Here, the gangbangers just shoot each other (and innocent law abiding citizens) and leave you in the street for the po-po to come and clean up.

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            • #7
              fiddletown
              Veteran Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 4928

              The thing about European gun laws isn't what sorts of guns you may legally possess. It's the sort of hoops you need to jump through to get the license in the first place.

              Most countries in Western Europe have a number of requirement to be authorized to possess a firearm. These requirements can include some or all of the following:
              1. Active membership in a shooting club for a period of time (on the order of 6 to 12 months) before applying to own your own gun.

              2. Maintaining active membership in a shooting club and regularly participating in club events/competition.

              3. Taking classes and passing tests.

              4. A medical evaluation (and sometimes period medical evaluations).
              "It is long been a principle of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully." -- Jeff Cooper

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              • #8
                Spawn
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 619

                So there are no European countries thy have good firearms freedom like the U.S.? I've wondered about this for a while.

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                • #9
                  Yerman
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 1396

                  Originally posted by Chatterbox
                  Europeans have laxer gun laws

                  Originally posted by Chatterbox
                  their gun laws are actually more lenient


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                  • #10
                    Best sale
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 1092

                    Originally posted by fiddletown
                    The thing about European gun laws isn't what sorts of guns you may legally possess. It's the sort of hoops you need to jump through to get the license in the first place.

                    Most countries in Western Europe have a number of requirement to be authorized to possess a firearm. These requirements can include some or all of the following:
                    1. Active membership in a shooting club for a period of time (on the order of 6 to 12 months) before applying to own your own gun.

                    2. Maintaining active membership in a shooting club and regularly participating in club events/competition.
                    3. Taking classes and passing tests.

                    4. A medical evaluation (and sometimes period medical evaluations).
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                    • #11
                      JDay
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19393

                      Originally posted by a1c
                      Nope. Even in Switzerland, you can only shoot in designated ranges. You need to fill out a lot of paperwork, and buying, transporting and storing ammo and firearms is heavily regulated - a LOT more than in California.

                      So stop spreading FUD.
                      In Switzerland a single traffic ticket can cause your guns to be taken away. Two in a row and you lose firearms for life.

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                      Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                      The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                      • #12
                        TNP'R
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2010
                        • 7832

                        LOL@ europeans having laxer gun laws.

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                        • #13
                          hikingwithguns
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2012
                          • 554

                          I think the real answer is they are different. Depends on the country and what you want to do. Europe is not one single entity. Different countries with different laws. Research the laws of a specific country then get back to us.
                          This is public land, we're not hunting, we're hiking with guns. There are no deer or pigs on public land

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                          • #14
                            a1c
                            CGSSA Coordinator
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 9098

                            Originally posted by TheRedWolf
                            So there are no European countries thy have good firearms freedom like the U.S.? I've wondered about this for a while.
                            No.
                            WTB: French & Finnish firearms. WTS: raw honey, tumbled .45 ACP brass, stupid cat.

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                            • #15
                              Dieter
                              Junior Member
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 88

                              Huh. Try Japan - where some long guns can actually be owned, believe it or not. Japanese gun laws almost make Europe look like there is no gun regulation there!

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