Comply with new 2014 C&R Law??????

[zhyla]

More like an extra $150+

Ok, pay your $150 and comply with the law.

Annual registration for my car is hundreds of dollars. That's got nothing to do with whether I need to pay my registration fees. There are some 2A aspects to this (the govt can't price guns out of reach of the population) but that's a litigation point, not a break-the-law point.

[SemperFi1775]

Ok, pay your $150 and comply with the law.

Annual registration for my car is hundreds of dollars. That's got nothing to do with whether I need to pay my registration fees. There are some 2A aspects to this (the govt can't price guns out of reach of the population) but that's a litigation point, not a break-the-law point.

is that what we've been arguing about? the privilege to own/operate a car is now same as the rights to keep and bear arms??

[TRICKSTER]

More like an extra $150+.

#1 less people will be willing to sell to CA, in fact I think this will be a HUGE impact on many surplus rifle sites, thus you will pay more than now for the same long gun.
#2 people will need to pay 2x the shipping to compensate seller for the cost for shipping from 01FFL to 01FFL.
#3 you will have to pay dros from 01FFL import and the cheapest I have found is $65.
#4 not sure if there will be registration fee, but it will be registered.
#5 you will pay tax on shipping and cost of purchase.

All of the reasons above are why I don't have any C&R pistols. By the time you add up the fees you might as well just not purchase at all. PPT's will be less, but that is SEVERELY limiting your options, especially since many people will be less likely to sell since they can only later replace with registered long guns, which will also be heavily taxed (for example, you sell a mosin for $200, but to buy it back it will be $300+).

If you have a 03FFL & COE, you would not need to get a 01FFL involved for a C&R long gun?

[Dooder]

Why not get an FFL03? Its just a bit morw than dros @$30 and its good for 3 years.

Beats the price of a transfer from a local shop...

[zhyla]

is that what we've been arguing about? the privilege to own/operate a car is now same as the rights to keep and bear arms??

Yes. That's exactly what I said, RKBA and driving cars is exactly the same thing. Why be that guy?

[Justintoxicated]

If you have a 03FFL & COE, you would not need to get a 01FFL involved for a C&R long gun?

Correct, but you will still have to register.
The problem with this is that most people don't want to research our laws so they will simply not sell to CA. Sure places like empire arms and some other business may support us still maybe CMP, but it's not going to be like it is now, plus you will still have to register it. I'm going to wait and see if it is even worth getting a COE. I'm thinking it won't be worth it.

Why not get an FFL03? Its just a bit morw than dros @$30 and its good for 3 years.

Beats the price of a transfer from a local shop...

That's the whole point of this thread, 03FFL isn't going to do you much good next year.

[HowardW56]

What nonsense are you talking about?

I was wondering the same thing....

[Capybara]

I disagree, I think the majority of C&R dealers from out of state will continue to sell to us, why wouldn't they? The only difference on their part will be asking to see our COE. Other than that, no change for them. California is a large and lucrative gun market for out of state dealers, why would they want to just write that off unless the laws here cause them undue hassle? For new guns, I can see that hassle but for C&Rs, almost no change from today.

[Dooder]

Correct, 03 holders have not much to worry about. Get the c&r's as usuall and mail in a $19 check for registration.

[Dooder]

I've only purchased from a couple places that say no Ca sales but after a phone call they ended up selling to me. Basically they didnt know what to do with a cdfl or the lack of one being an 03

[Dooder]

Registration doesn't mean you have to go through an 01. It just means the DOJ needs their money and paperwork. Registrations by mail is acceptable.

Hopefully this clarifies things. Also this is for rifles not handguns.

[HappyDaze]

To clarify, I was lamenting the loss of the right to buy a long gun such as a 1912 L.C. Smith shotgun without adding the expense and time to own such an old gun, just to own it as a piece of history. The thought of being able to do so as a Free Man selling or buying his own property got the best of me when I see it disappearing at years end. I am an older guy who remembers when common sense ruled and I feel sorry for the younger generation who never got to experience a time when the government felt the need to dictate what, when, where and how to live ones life. I will look into other avenues such as 03 and other possible solutions to still keep collecting older guns and still be a law abiding person.

[SemperFi1775]

getting an 03 is not a free ride, there are cost associated with it such as money, time, and your collection/book is subject to inspection by ca doj/atf....

[ChicoDan]

Comply with it? Yes.

Happy about it? No.

Laws can be changed.

ChicoDan