SB-374 as applied to shotguns

[stretch64]

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I don't know about other semi-auto, but Rem 1187's feeding tube is welded into the receiver. Removing the feeding tube will disassembling most if not all part of shotgun, including action bar. Torch the crap out of it.

So, 374 would probably not apply to 1187.

Of course, we'll have to wait for DOJ for clarification.

[sl0re10]

I wouldn't be surprised considering how they defined magazine and ammunition feeding devices in another section.

[crackerman]

Is that correct?

IANAL, etc but,
I believe they are basically targeting saigas, Adkal-19, usas-12 (already a DD but hey why not make it ever more illegal), and AP uppers like the funky .410 one.

There would be no way to remove the "ammo feeding device" read tube with a spring from my Beretta short of a hacksaw.

Though if that interpretation were to happen it might be nice to see it as a kick in the pant to see richy, duck hunters, with their fancy Benellis and Beretta have to get involved when their $2000 shotgun is suddenly a really evil AW.

^^^BTW I am one of there guys except for the richy, uninvolved part (public land ho all the way)

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Though if that interpretation were to happen it might be nice to see it as a kick in the pant to see richy, duck hunters, with their fancy Benellis and Beretta have to get involved when their $2000 shotgun is suddenly a really evil AW.

If it turns out semi-auto shotguns are now consider as AW, they may not able to ever use it for hunting again. IRRC, AW can not be used for hunting purpose.

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[stretch64]

Does the "ammunition feeding device" have to include the tube, or could it just be the spring and follower?

What about shotguns that use a removable extension on the end of the tube?

What constitutes the "ammunition feeding device"?

[RobertMW]

Hmm, maybe we could play devils advocate and try and push the DOJ to question that if things don't get vetoed. If all of a sudden 75% of gun owners in California have an "AW" then you might be able to actually coalesce gun owners against these kind of bills, rather than just us EBR guys and gals.

[SemperFi1775]

Does the "ammunition feeding device" have to include the tube, or could it just be the spring and follower?

What about shotguns that use a removable extension on the end of the tube?

What constitutes the "ammunition feeding device"?

call s****berg and ask him directly...

[hossb7]

if the ammunition feeding device is a removable magazine, i would agree (i.e. saiga 12).

however MOST shotguns use a tube that is affixed to the receiver of the gun and would require the disassembly of the firearm action to remove.

[crackerman]

If it turns out semi-auto shotguns are now consider as AW, they may not able to ever use it for hunting again. IRRC, AW can not be used for hunting purpose.

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Not sure if they can be used for hunting or not, and I certainly hope the bill is vetoed and all but if the vote makes some really rich guys who have 6 figure duck club memberships call up the gov on the personal line and say "Hey JB, buddy how about you veto that ****" all the better.

[stretch64]

If all of a sudden 75% of gun owners in California have an "AW" then you might be able to actually coalesce gun owners against these kind of bills, rather than just us EBR guys and gals.

Wonder how many are sitting on the sidelines thinking "it doesn't affect me". Well, guess what, your now a felon because you didn't register your duck gun or HD shotgun.

[IntoForever]

My Rem 710 and Mossberg 500 have tubes that easily unscrew. When will it end??? Can we start a recall like Colorado did? Now???

[Hoooper]

if the ammunition feeding device is a removable magazine, i would agree (i.e. saiga 12).

however MOST shotguns use a tube that is affixed to the receiver of the gun and would require the disassembly of the firearm action to remove.

my marlin (not a semi-auto, or shotgun, just for reference) has a feed tube that can be removed by taking two screws out and then pulling the feed tube out with no affect on the action of the firearm. If ANY semi auto shotguns are built this way then under this new definition I can see them possibly being considered AWs. Whether or not thats the case remains to be seen, but it seems unlikely they would take a strict interpretation of this law

[Hoooper]

on the flip side, since I have always desired a removeable mag shotgun w/pistol grip, maybe Ill get one that is not currently an AW but would be under this law so I can register it and retrofit it to be pistol grip + removable mag

[stretch64]

Whether or not thats the case remains to be seen, but it seems unlikely they would take a strict interpretation of this law

I wouldn't count on selective enforcement to keep me on the right side of the law.