Assuming 374 doesn't get vetoed...

[Anthonysmanifesto]

you will know in two weeks.

please call the Senators tonight

[RuskieShooter]

Look at the language of the bill. It specifically addresses weapons purchased from 2001 to 2013 (right?) what kind of weapon could you buy during that time.

Mini-14, M1 carbine, SVT-40...

So are you telling me that the new law makes these assault rifles but because I owned them prior to 2001 I can't register them?

Doesn't make sense...

-Ruskie

[nicoroshi]

Mini-14, M1 carbine, SVT-40...

So are you telling me that the new law makes these assault rifles but because I owned them prior to 2001 I can't register them?

Doesn't make sense...

-Ruskie

This here is an excellent point.
Where is the definition of 'how assault weapon' an assault weapon is?
It either is or is not an assault weapon.
And if it is a registered assault weapon then it should be the same as any other so called assault weapon to my mind.

Another thought:
What if the AR-15 you bought during the time period mentioned was featureless?

Oh forget I am even bringing this up right now. I am still fighting this idiocy, and it is not law yet.

[DannyInSoCal]

They have to prove it was "purchased"...?

All mine were gifts or self constructed -

F'em........

[Some Velvet-Fisted Brute]

They want to ban the BB since they now claim it was a loophole & still allows for fast mag changes, but if we have to reg than why keep a BB but they will then surely contradict themselves and say we still need that. So is it a legit device or a loophole?

And we, through minimal compliance devices like the Bullet Button, inspire the next wave of legislation. If we want to win hearts and minds outside of our ranks, we must be careful with vernacular. This is why I use the term "minimal compliance" and suggest naming devices after the legislators who sponsored the bills that inspired their invention. It describes that purpose is not to circumvent the law, but rather do what is minimally necessary to comply with it. Calling something a "Bullet Button" gives it an ominous ring to those who don't eat, drink, and sleep guns. Naming it after the legislator du jour reminds their constituents that their senator or assembly person is doing a poor job. It's all by careful consderation and calculation.

[Some Velvet-Fisted Brute]

let's focus our efforts on making the power grabbers pay for their sins against us, rather than trying to figure out how to please the masters at this time....

Anything short of destruction of our 2nd amendment rights will not please them. I offer the above discussion as a means to convey that we will not be beaten down. They want us to be maleable. They want putty, formed to their whims. We will be like water. We will find every seam, crack, and pinhole, and we will not be contained. I am not suggesting giving in. I am saying let's show them their efforts not only will not work... Let's show them their efforts CANNOT work.

[cr1ms0njyhad]

Mini-14, M1 carbine, SVT-40...

So are you telling me that the new law makes these assault rifles but because I owned them prior to 2001 I can't register them?

Doesn't make sense...

-Ruskie

Don't forget all those 'featureless' builds that didn't require a BB. They're on the chopping block as well.

[Scratch705]

guess it's time for me to be a felon.

never going to modify or give up my ar.

[2nd Mass]

Why so many threads on how willing we are to submit before most people have even called Governor Brown asking for a veto?

Freakin really people, focus at the fight ahead. Worry about workarounds later. Go to any calguns shoot if you're that desperate.

[CessnaDriver]

Why so many threads on how willing we are to submit before most people have even called Governor Brown asking for a veto?

Freakin really people, focus at the fight ahead. Worry about workarounds later. Go to any calguns shoot if you're that desperate.

Yep. We saw people contemplating submission to the mag ban bill and the ammo licensing bill and we beat those.
That means it's possible we can beat this too, with veto or with legal challenge.

We can melt all the communications lines to Brown.

[The Gleam]

Not registering. Will not comply. The law will be thrown out based on what happened in Chicago this past week before the registration deadline and if not by the deadline, shortly thereafter.

Guaranteed.

I will do nothing.

[The Gleam]

Why so many threads on how willing we are to submit before most people have even called Governor Brown asking for a veto?

Freakin really people, focus at the fight ahead. Worry about workarounds later. Go to any calguns shoot if you're that desperate.

Exactly; I can't believe the idiocy in the number of people seemingly excited over this: LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR - SB374 IS NOT AN ADVANTAGE BY ANY MEANS!!!

[flyinverted]

Why do we possess these modern day muskets?

Why do we keep accepting the infringements?

Is it time?

[prometa]

Mini-14, M1 carbine, SVT-40...

So are you telling me that the new law makes these assault rifles but because I owned them prior to 2001 I can't register them?

Doesn't make sense...

-Ruskie

It doesn't make sense, but that's what the law says.

On the topic of removing the bullet button once registered, all the law says is a firearm legally acquired between 2001 and 2013. It was legally acquired with a bullet button. Once you register it, the law makes no distinction between the properties different assault weapons from different eras are allowed once registered. Removing the bullet button doesn't change the identity of the firearm, so it is still one you legally acquired in the years 2001-2013.

Between amounting to an illegal taking for any rifle that wasn't an assault weapon before 2014 but was bought before 2001 and because it turns 8 million bullet buttoned rifles into detachable mag rifles, the bill doesn't meet any of it's policy goals and has serious legal issues. Enough to make a veto a possibility even if brown agrees with steinberg's intent.

[Linus]

**** all these alternative solutions. Lets fight the problem at its source, call Gov. Brown as much as possible and urge his Veto on 374!