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  • #76
    TRICKSTER
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2008
    • 12438

    Originally posted by Tincon
    So basically an clever sociopath gets a pass from you, but a guy with Asperger syndrome who isn't too bright is punished to the max? You are creating a system where your own personal prejudices (including those you are not even aware of) are going to impact the administration of justice. This is not moral, legal, or professional.

    To the OP, no one can tell you who will get arrested, as you can see from the LEO posters above, a great deal of factors beyond whether a crime was committed will play into it. Don't expect much different from a judge/jury. Legally however, you must be aware that the prohibited act has taken place to be legally culpable (for this and most crimes).
    That may happen if you were a LEO. The problem we have here is people projecting their own bias and weaknesses on the responding LEOs, expecting the LEOs to react the way that they would.
    Just because you would not be capable of being handling the job doesn't mean that others aren't.


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    • #77
      TRICKSTER
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Mar 2008
      • 12438

      Originally posted by Kid Stanislaus
      However, if your spouse turned you down the night before and you're doing a slow burn over it, the outcome may differ dramatically.
      Maybe if you were the LEO, but I never let my personal life interfere with my work and vice versa.


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      • #78
        Tincon
        Mortuus Ergo Invictus
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Nov 2012
        • 5062

        Originally posted by TRICKSTER
        That may happen if you were a LEO. The problem we have here is people projecting their own bias and weaknesses on the responding LEOs, expecting the LEOs to react the way that they would.
        Just because you would not be capable of being handling the job doesn't mean that others aren't.
        Sorry, but you aren't any different from any other human, and if you knew the first thing about human psychology you would know that everyone has biases and is subject to being manipulated. This is the reason we have written laws, and not a system where the "good guys" can unilaterally decide who the "bad guys" are.

        Oh, and I was in LE, and I enforced the standards equally, and I did not let people go simply because they were "nice" and had a "reasonable explanation". Quite frankly those sort of people made me think they were used to getting away with things based on their "charm", but they were treated by me the same way as the guy cursing and shouting. I followed the law, not my feelings. Too bad you can't do the same.
        My posts may contain general information related to the law, however, THEY ARE NOT LEGAL ADVICE AND I AM NOT A LAWYER. I recommend you consult a lawyer if you want legal advice. No attorney-client or confidential relationship exists or will be formed between myself and any other person on the basis of these posts. Pronouns I may use (such as "you" and "your") do NOT refer to any particular person under any circumstance.

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        • #79
          TRICKSTER
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Mar 2008
          • 12438

          Originally posted by Tincon
          Sorry, but you aren't any different from any other human, and if you knew the first thing about human psychology you would know that everyone has biases and is subject to being manipulated. This is the reason we have written laws, and not a system where the "good guys" can unilaterally decide who the "bad guys" are.

          Oh, and I was in LE, and I enforced the standards equally, and I did not let people go simply because they were "nice" and had a "reasonable explanation". Quite frankly those sort of people made me think they were used to getting away with things based on their "charm", but they were treated by me the same way as the guy cursing and shouting. I followed the law, not my feelings. Too bad you can't do the same.
          Once again, your projecting. Where did I state that I let people go because they were "nice" . As far as reasonable explanation, many crimes require intent, appearantly you werent the type of LEO that understood that .
          So based on your comments, you either let everyone go, or arrested or cited everyone , if so, you were nothing more than a robot unable to evaluate a situation based on the evidence at hand. That is exactly the type of LEO that people here complain about.


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          • #80
            Pig Rifle
            Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 215

            Originally posted by TRICKSTER
            Says you. How much law enforcement experience do you have?
            You seem to be exactly the type of person that brings on self-fulfilling prophecy.
            Oh I see. Cop knows best, right? And your ramblings are just so valid, because you're a cop. You have plenty of company here on CGN, to be sure.

            But I've gone through these scenarios many times. And played them both ways. I've been nice and cordial and cooperative. And I've also been hostile, uncooperative and unwilling to give an inch. And you know what? 9 times out of ten the cop still tries to screw me over. Friendly nice guy, or cold shoulder, doesn't matter. And on top of that, sometimes you have to be even MORE guarded against the cop who's approaching in a seemingly friendly manner. Trying the ol' buddy-buddy routine to get you talking to him. Then he tries to steer the convo towards some seemingly innocuous tidbit which he thinks he can use to hang you.

            And so, a prudent person who values his God-given (and Constitutionally enumerated) rights would naturally want to guard against such rotten abuses by rotten people. So nowadays, I play very close to the vest with cops, not knowing whether he's the one good one or one of the 9 bad. I'm not rude with them, but I don't willingly give them a bit of info that I don't absolutely have to. I consent to no intrusions. To many cops, this is "belligerent" or "being a hardass". Well fine. But it's him or his cohorts who have created this type of atmosphere, not me. I'm just doing what's necessary to avoid imprisonment, the theft of my money/car/firearms/property etc.
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            • #81
              TRICKSTER
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Mar 2008
              • 12438

              Originally posted by Pig Rifle
              Oh I see. Cop knows best, right? And your ramblings are just so valid, because you're a cop. You have plenty of company here on CGN, to be sure.

              But I've gone through these scenarios many times. And played them both ways. I've been nice and cordial and cooperative. And I've also been hostile, uncooperative and unwilling to give an inch. And you know what? 9 times out of ten the cop still tries to screw me over. Friendly nice guy, or cold shoulder, doesn't matter. And on top of that, sometimes you have to be even MORE guarded against the cop who's approaching in a seemingly friendly manner. Trying the ol' buddy-buddy routine to get you talking to him. Then he tries to steer the convo towards some seemingly innocuous tidbit which he thinks he can use to hang you.

              And so, a prudent person who values his God-given (and Constitutionally enumerated) rights would naturally want to guard against such rotten abuses by rotten people. So nowadays, I play very close to the vest with cops, not knowing whether he's the one good one or one of the 9 bad. I'm not rude with them, but I don't willingly give them a bit of info that I don't absolutely have to. I consent to no intrusions. To many cops, this is "belligerent" or "being a hardass". Well fine. But it's him or his cohorts who have created this type of atmosphere, not me. I'm just doing what's necessary to avoid imprisonment, the theft of my money/car/firearms/property etc.
              Yes, I do know best when it comes to knowing how myself and my coworkers handled things. You don't know me and don't have a clue as to what I have and haven't done and I am sure that I have contacted and dealt with many more people and observed other officers contact many more people than you have had contact with LEOs.

              If you have been contacted by the police on a citable or arrestable matter more than 10 times as evident by the personal experience that you claim to have, I seriously doubt that the problems that you have originate with LEOs.
              So once again we revert back to the self fulfilling prophecy.

              As to the OP's original question of who gets arrested in this scenario, it it was myself or the officers that I worked with, the answer would most likely be ........
              NO ONE.

              That's it, it's that simple. I'm done addressing people that think that they know how I as a LEO handled things when they don't know me or the people that I worked with. The arrogance in making that kind of assumption is just mind boggling and may be a indication as to why these people have such a difficult time with LEO contacts.
              Last edited by TRICKSTER; 08-08-2013, 3:32 AM.


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