SF, Oakland Settle CGF Federal Lawsuit on Return of Firearms

[taperxz]

Please explain to us just how that is done?

If it was never registered, and most long arms are not, or never entered into the lost and stolen data base, again most are not; how can they use the serial number to determine it is stolen?

RANT?

There is always some form of registration or record.

A trail can be done on a long gun since the FFL must maintain records for 20 years. Either you or LE can go back to an FFL to see who the firearm was sold to. ATF and law enforcement do it all the time. They start with the rifle serial number, go to the manufacturer to see what FFL it was delivered to who in turn can say who it was sold to.

Secondly, If i maintain my own record of ownership, writing down the serial number, taking a picture of the firearm and all its info, will that prove ownership if it was stolen from me?

These are the questions i was asking of CGF.

I was also asking Gene if it would be a good idea for someone (maybe a lawyer) to come up with a form that one could fill out and retain for themselves that would satisfy proof of ownership that would satisfy a LEA in the event that they end up with it whether it was stolen, confiscated or lost and turned into LE.

Meplat, you keep pushing some other agenda here for your own entertainment and i am asking fair questions and offering possible solutions in the event CGF would want to help defend someone in the above situations.

I am not bashing the outcome of what they have done here. I am trying to get a better idea of how far this settlement went when it comes to SF and trying to get a firearm back from them in different situations.

[taperxz]

Just as you never answer my questions, I will no longer answer yours. It is my policy to try never to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

The only reason you typed this is because you were not party to any gun confiscation case in either SF or Oakland. Nor were you involved in litigation with them regarding the OP.

[hoffmang]

The only reason you typed this is because you were not party to any gun confiscation case in either SF or Oakland. Nor were you involved in litigation with them regarding the OP.

Let me be more concise. In almost every case, all one needs to prove that one owns an unregistered long arm is the pink property receipt one receives by law when it is confiscated. Full stop.

-Gene

[taperxz]

Let me be more concise. In almost every case, all one needs to prove that one owns an unregistered long arm is the pink property receipt one receives by law when it is confiscated. Full stop.

-Gene

I understand that you guys got this part of it taken care of. Great Job!

I was asking more to the point of recovered stolen property and trying to recover that from the LEA. What would proof of ownership be that would be acceptable to LE. I am not trying to be argumentative or rude in anyway towards you guys on this.

If you don't want to answer thats fine.

[SVT-40]

You have to report an item as stolen before it can be "recovered" by the police.... then returned to you.

Making the report is representation of ownership.....

So the police report listing you as the victim of the theft of the firearms (or anything else) would be sufficient to prove ownership.

[taperxz]

You have to report an item as stolen before it can be "recovered" by the police....

Making the report is representation of ownership.....

So the police report listing you as the victim of the theft of the firearms (or anything else) would be sufficient to prove ownership.

You would think. SF was not operating that way even with a registered firearm. THATS why i was asking the question of, "was this situation also resolved?"

FWIW, i have reason to believe that my stolen firearms were recovered by SFPD and i was not notified, (trust me i just know through the PD grapevine) obviously they were not returned and they wouldn't even talk to me about it. I didn't pursue the issue because insurance paid for replacements. Still!!!!

[hoffmang]

I was asking more to the point of recovered stolen property and trying to recover that from the LEA. What would proof of ownership be that would be acceptable to LE. I am not trying to be argumentative or rude in anyway towards you guys on this.

Any stolen unregistered long arm would be in the lost/stolen database because you reported it stolen by serial number. That does mean that you should have records of all the serial numbers of your guns in case they get stolen. A standard part of the LEGR process is for the LEA to check the lost/stolen database before returning the firearm.

-Gene