The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

[Centurion_D]

Ohhkaayy..yea..this is a good one. We need some facts to shoot down this article...I think this where the actor Danny Glover came up with the 2A being used to preserve slavery. We need facts folks so when someone starts talking jibberish about the 2A/slavery connection we can smack em' down!!!

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified%20-to-preserve-slavery

The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

[dustoff31]

At first, I saw no reason to even dignify that article with a response.

However, on second thought. I'm tired of this crap. Even if it were true, "So what?" Slavery in the U.S. ended over 150 years ago. We no longer have slave patrols, slaves, or slave owners.

What does slavery have to do with the present day (SCOTUS delivered)interpretation of the 2A?

[CrazyPhuD]

Sure whatever they want to think...that said there's far more recent evidence that the root of gun control was to suppress the civil rights movement during the 60s.

The Mulford act was directly created to get guns out of the hands of African Americans and allows the police to use far more aggressive tactics to break up civil rights marches.

[1CavScout]

I have heard this argument from the left in the past, and it has been shot down by historians that looked at papers from the founders regarding the 2A.

[disintelligentsia]

Ohhkaayy..yea..this is a good one. We need some facts to shoot down this article...I think this where the actor Danny Glover came up with the 2A being used to preserve slavery. We need facts folks so when someone starts talking jibberish about the 2A/slavery connection we can smack em' down!!!

Article I, Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power . . . To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Article II, Section 2 - Executive Power

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States . . .

I think this guy has his history mixed up.

[lasbrg]

At first, I saw no reason to even dignify that article with a response.

However, on second thought. I'm tired of this crap. Even if it were true, "So what?" Slavery in the U.S. ended over 150 years ago. We no longer have slave patrols, slaves, or slave owners.

What does slavery have to do with the present day (SCOTUS delivered)interpretation of the 2A?

+1. It's better not to talk about it.

Anyway, James Madison was the primary author of the Bill of Rights. If a gun grabber tries to make to make some argument like this, ask them if they are saying that Madison was pro-slavery. That should stop them in their tracks.

[caoboy]

I'm thinking this dude thinks that the north and the south were divided about slavery even when the country was first created...

I think he doesn't realize that 'State' also refers to a 'country'... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)

Hence the whole reason we are called the "UNITED STATES of AMERICA" Because each STATE is a community GOVERNED, in which we are UNITED to each other in land of AMERICA.

That's why we have local government (city), state government (state) , and federal government (federal union of states) .

[Wiz-of-Awd]

What does slavery have to do with the present day (SCOTUS delivered)interpretation of the 2A?

Has to do with using the emotions of citizens to steer a vote

A.W.D.

[lasbrg]

Ohhkaayy..yea..this is a good one. We need some facts to shoot down this article...I think this where the actor Danny Glover came up with the 2A being used to preserve slavery. We need facts folks so when someone starts talking jibberish about the 2A/slavery connection we can smack em' down!!!

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890...eserve-slavery

Ok, I've read through some of the links and found some things that might help us. The article basically selectively chooses quotes from the sources to try to make 2A seem tainted somehow. The sources themselves are actually pretty interesting. Here is a quote from the UC Davis law review article:

The fact that colonists were armed helped make the Revolution possible. Indeed, it was a British plot to confiscate American militia weapons that propelled Paul Revere on his famous ride.

This quote is even better:

It was natural, if not essential, for the leaders of the Revolution to glorify the citizen militia, for they were trying to rally a people without an army to war. Borrowing heavily from Whig ideology the revolutionaries sought to persuade themselves and the community that an army composed of armed citizens farmers and tradesmen willing to grab a musket would prevail over professional soldiers and mercenaries in service to King George. And how would these men defeat a better armed, better equipped, better trained, and more experienced force? They would win because they were virtuous. Their opponents, the Americans told themselves, were corrupt. A standing army was a tool of tyrants, and greed and ambition corrupted professional soldiers, making them little better than the mercenaries who fought at their side.

The quote in the article is also problematic for gun grabbers:

The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds.

It's easy enough to "concede" that slavery was bad, but the other side should likewise concede that gun grabbing is bad and that historians agree that Revolutionary Americans considered their militias to be glorious and virtuous.

[Emdawg]

Also, wasn't it the duty of the early LEO's (Sheriffs) to fetch back slaves if they were in their jurisdiction as being an escaped slave was equivelant to being a fugitive?

[SWMP15]

Ohhkaayy..yea..this is a good one. We need some facts to shoot down this article...I think this where the actor Danny Glover came up with the 2A being used to preserve slavery. We need facts folks so when someone starts talking jibberish about the 2A/slavery connection we can smack em' down!!!

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890...eserve-slavery

Watch this 3 minute video and you will see the truth, not the liberal BS! These people say it better than anyone else could! These 3 minutes make the pinko retards, look even more stupid than normal...

"Black leaders discuss the NRA"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyuCfUrkWIc

[sl0re10]

Ohhkaayy..yea..this is a good one. We need some facts to shoot down this article...I think this where the actor Danny Glover came up with the 2A being used to preserve slavery. We need facts folks so when someone starts talking jibberish about the 2A/slavery connection we can smack em' down!!!

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890...eserve-slavery

Then there is the whole the northern states wanted arms too... which they considered their right to have.. that they considered giving them up to be a return to an all powerful feudal system that they weren't interested in living under (re: return to serfdom) / the American revolution was the last battle of English civil war.

[Librarian]

January article was discussed in January.