Shipping private party to FFL

[ripcurlksm]

I sold a M1A on this forum and the buyer is going to drive 3 hours down to me to inspect the rifle, is then going to pay me for said rifle, then we are going to go to UPS and ship it to his FFL (all within CA).

Anything I am missing? Is my signature required for anything from the FFL?

[kyle.]

Send a copy of your DL to the FFL, make sure you email them and put attn: or C/O and the buyers name.

No signature required, because although it is a PPT, when it is ran in DROS it is just a firearm sale. PPT is ONLY when both buyer and sell are present at the time and location of the DROS.

[jaymz]

Send a copy of your DL to the FFL, make sure you email them and put attn: or C/O and the buyers name.

No signature required, because although it is a PPT, when it is ran in DROS it is just a firearm sale. PPT is ONLY when both buyer and sell are present at the time and location of the DROS.

While that's how it usually works, the PC does not state that buyer and seller be present together at time and location of the DROS.

[paul0660]

Nothing says you cannot hand it to the buyer to take it to his FFL if he lives in California, under the auspices of a 30 day loan. You have to trust the guy to follow through, however.

[Wildhawk66]

Always call the receiving FFL yourself and get a 100% confirmation that he will accept a rifle for transfer that was mailed to him directly by a private party seller. CA law is not particularly clear on long distance in state transfers in which one party is not present. Many FFL's have a policy of requiring either both parties to be present or the seller to mail the rifle through an FFL on their end.

Believe me it is worth the call. I learned this the hard way and after dealing with a number of misinformed FFL's or FFL's that had ridiculous policies, I will no longer sell a firearm by mail to a buyer in CA.

For reference, here is what the calguns wiki says on this. Obviously not all FFLs follow this, but you can see why there is confusion on this topic.

As implemented, both parties must be present at the transferring FFL to initiate the transaction

Ordinarily both parties appear at the same time, but it is possible to do some paperwork separately, similar to a consignment. Ask your FFL.

At one time this Calguns post on split-PPT might have been useful. In 2011, the DOJ has been rejecting this method, and the proper, accepted use of PPT requires both parties to the transfer to physically appear at the same CA FFL.

[bwiese]

Nothing says you cannot hand it to the buyer to take it to his FFL if he lives in California, under the auspices of a 30 day loan. You have to trust the guy to follow through, however.

Bullcrap.

The moment they find out a time-correlated bank transaction/timing etc occurred , that hain't a loan.

Why do you think US Attorney investigators & SacPD are going thru various folks' banking records in regard to the Sacramento Roster matter?

Don't be stupid

[paul0660]

sorry to ruffle your eagle feathers, Bill.

When you settle down, tell me what a loan is, and what any of that has to do with the Sac thing.

[fiddletown]

sorry to ruffle your eagle feathers, Bill.

When you settle down, tell me what a loan is, and what any of that has to do with the Sac thing.

A loan is:

...the grant of temporary use...

So no, handing the guy the rifle you just sold him is not any kind of a loan.

Once again you have demonstrated that you (1) don't understand the law; and (2) are happy to suggest to others that they risk jail by violating the law.

[kyle.]

While that's how it usually works, the PC does not state that buyer and seller be present together at time and location of the DROS.

Which is why I said it isn't a PPT. It goes under long gun dealer sale

[ripcurlksm]

thank you guys

[SURVIVOR619]

thank you guys

I'm a private party/no FFL. Last week mailed a long gun to an FFL via UPS.

UPS required a copy of the FFL - be sure to bring one.

Online, UPS said the rifle had to be shipped overnight airmail.

The helpful person at UPS said otherwise and I spent half of what I thought I would to still get the rifle to the FFL next day, but via ground shipping.

Easy as pie.