ACLU Pro 2A?

[HKC]

I've been doing some digging and came across this interesting link:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/apr/16/Arizona-Citizens-Defense-League/gun-rights-group-says-senate-bill-proposes-univers/

Specifically, this part:

I thought that was really strange given the ACLU's stance on the 2A and the "90%" propaganda being spewed. Nice to see. Hopefully, this leads to more help from their side.

[Renaissance Redneck]

They are NOT pro-2A. In their policy statements they are clear on that. They explicitly disagreed with Heller. It's only the privacy part of gun registration they object to.

They are not our friends.

[Frito Bandido]

The NRA and other gun rights groups should be fully engaged to get the ACLU onboard. They don't necessarily see gun ownership as a civil right, they focus more on the invasion of privacy issues. If there can be a way to bridge that divide it would add a substantial boost to the clout of gun owners and 2A advocates everywhere.

[HKC]

They are NOT pro-2A. In their policy statements they are clear on that. They explicitly disagreed with Heller. It's only the privacy part of gun registration they object to.

They are not our friends.

If that is all they care about, then fine. I'll take it. As far as I'm concerned, privacy and the 2A go hand in hand.

[mmayer707]

The NRA and other gun rights groups should be fully engaged to get the ACLU onboard. They don't necessarily see gun ownership as a civil right, they focus more on the invasion of privacy issues. If there can be a way to bridge that divide it would add a substantial boost to the clout of gun owners and 2A advocates everywhere.

If the ACLU came completely on board and made gun ownership a civil rights issue the gun grabbers would be no more. Even the libs wouldn't F with the ACLU. You would see our gun rights coming back with full force. All IMO of course.

[G60]

I believe some state and local ACLU chapters support the 2A, but ACLU National still believes that the 2A does not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms.

ACLU national isn't a bad organization, but they aren't a friend to the 2A

[dfletcher]

The NRA and other gun rights groups should be fully engaged to get the ACLU onboard. They don't necessarily see gun ownership as a civil right, they focus more on the invasion of privacy issues. If there can be a way to bridge that divide it would add a substantial boost to the clout of gun owners and 2A advocates everywhere.

I'm supposing that ACLU holds more sway over the average CA voter than NRA. If ACLU could be carefully engaged in CA on gun rights, even slightly, I'd see it as a plus.

[curtisfong]

Agreed that EVERY effort should be made to get the ACLU on the civil rights side of things 2A.

Post Heller/McDonald it would be beyond stupid to not try. Let alone make enemies of them.

[paul0660]

ACLU national isn't a bad organization

Unless you think picking and choosing issues based on a progressive agenda is bad.

I do. Their occasional forays into fairness are planned.

[robcoe]

State and local chapters are starting to come around, the national version is largely neutral right now, mostly because they don't want to jeopardize donations from people who want to ban guns.

[mdimeo]

Aclu mostly gets its funding from rich liberals, and its positions reflect that.

[lasbrg]

"notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter"

I thought there was stuff like that lurking in there. Reason 10001 for S. 649 to be tossed in trash. Crying parents are never a reason to vote for anything.

Politics aside, props to the ACLU for due diligence.

[curtisfong]

Aclu mostly gets its funding from rich liberals, and its positions reflect that.

Not entirely true. They, unlike almost all other large organizations, have shown willingness to take up very unpopular clients.

This puts them in a very good position to take a very firm civil rights stand on the 2A post Heller. They have the reputation, precedent, and PR capital to withstand any (engineered) negative publicity fallout with ease.

[jaymz]

The ACLU is only 2A friendly if/when it will benefit them in some other fashion.

[mmayer707]

Aclu mostly gets its funding from rich liberals, and its positions reflect that.

I would donate everything I could if they came over to our side.