Counting on us to agree to "taggant" tracers into explosive material

[calgunsgazpacho]

We love the 2nd amendment clearly in all of it multitudes.

Taggants are tracing material that can be put in various fertilizer and other material that can be used for tracking terrorists after an attack.
It is a technology developed quite some time ago.

Two things:
Can we agree to allow these tracers (taggants)to be used in various explosive material such as black powder, especially after Boston, in order to catch terrorists, plain and simple.

And can we all agree this has nothing to do with protecting the 2nd amendment and support its usage to catch terrorists, whether foreign or domestic?

How does the NRA stand on this now?

http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...2&slug=2118763 And don't comment if you haven't read the article please. opinions are like elbows etc.

[mrdd]

No. They will want to put it in smokeless power too. Can it damage firearms or make cleaning them more difficult? When you go shooting, you end up with residue all over you. It will get tracked all over the places you go afterwards. How do you handle cross contamination?

[mrdd]

People need to get it through their heads that while upsetting, these occurrences are still isolated events.

[Wrangler John]

How many millions of pounds of gun powder of all types have been used in the U.S. annually? How much of it was used in manufacturing IED's? Case closed.

I have been loading ammunition for competitive shooting and hunting for over fifty years. That's fifty years without ever even thinking of making a bomb, not to mention even one accident involving gun powder. The problem boils down to insane people committing criminal acts, the problem is not a lack of taggant free gun powder. There are no simple solutions.

There are formulations of explosives that are easily manufactured from common chemicals, things that are far more destructive than black powder, which itself can be manufactured from three commonly available substances. Those well known terrorist groups publish online manuals of how to concoct explosives and bombs, making the problem much less tractable.

There is no way to prevent these incidents with any degree of certainty.

[SilverTauron]

I wonder why the bomber picked Boston for his target instead of , say, Tucson Arizona. One wonders if the attacker knew he faced a major risk of being shot by one of his intended victims should his bomb be discovered by a passer-by.

Here's an idea. Lets shut down the DHS , and mandate legal Constitutional Carry in every city over 500,000 in population. I'll bet would be terrorists would think twice about blowing up a building whose occupants might be armed to the teeth.

[Neo Sharkey]

I'll up you to let's shut down DHS, and TSA, and have constitutional carry everywhere.

I'm willing to bet we cut down on terrorist acts (and false flag ops) as well as "regular" criminal acts.

[cdtx2001]

Tracing materials in explosives has been tried before and each time it comes up it gets shot down. Not because of the NRA, but plain and simple common sense.

If these tracing taggants are put into every type of explosive, then everything becomes cross contaminated in short order. Think of all the blasting operations that happen every day. Those little taggants get in to raw materials from the get go. Raw materials get mixed up with other materials to make the things we use.

Even if they wanted to use, or already use, taggants in materials, there would be so many of them in a material already that isolating one particular material to one user would be quite tough.

So I say go ahead and use em. They become useless in short order.

[Webologist]

I wonder why the bomber picked Boston for his target instead of , say, Tucson Arizona. One wonders if the attacker knew he faced a major risk of being shot by one of his intended victims should his bomb be discovered by a passer-by.

Here's an idea. Lets shut down the DHS , and mandate legal Constitutional Carry in every city over 500,000 in population. I'll bet would be terrorists would think twice about blowing up a building whose occupants might be armed to the teeth.

Stop trying to use logic and common sense on a left wing troll. Just agree we need more ignorant senseless laws that won't make a difference but will increase costs, limit freedom and require additional government employees to oversee their implementation and enforcement.

[skyscraper]

I wonder why the bomber picked Boston for his target instead of , say, Tucson Arizona. One wonders if the attacker knew he faced a major risk of being shot by one of his intended victims should his bomb be discovered by a passer-by.

Here's an idea. Lets shut down the DHS , and mandate legal Constitutional Carry in every city over 500,000 in population. I'll bet would be terrorists would think twice about blowing up a building whose occupants might be armed to the teeth.

You mean the bomber that went completely undetected, was afraid of a CCW carrier? lol

[skyscraper]

Stop trying to use logic and common sense on a left wing troll. Just agree we need more ignorant senseless laws that won't make a difference but will increase costs, limit freedom and require additional government employees to oversee their implementation and enforcement.

I wouldnt call myself a troll, and definitely not left wing. But I also have a hard time believing a CCW would have prevented something like this. I think we all can agree that things like this will happen, and not all are avoidable.

[sl0re10]

Well; I do have what I consider a rational fear that congress types would try to put the expense of the program on gun owners as a means to discourage firearm ownership. They also would probably have no problem with the program being very very expensive....

Second; safety. Human but also mechanical. I don't want my firearms damaged for what is probably an unneeded program. Bits of plastic in with demolition material might be fine but in my rifle (a machine with tight tolerances)? Congress types also have no credibility in this area either (automotive oil w/o zinc and ethanol added to gasoline won't hurt your car... sure).

Between the two problems; I'll oppose it but if they could be ruled out (which at least the first never can be) I wouldn't mind it. So; I mean this honestly... if you want to blame anyone for my failure to support 'a sensible program'... blame the people who have acted in bad faith so many times in regards to gun laws that I can no longer trust them with programs like this....

[SilverTauron]

You mean the bomber that went completely undetected, was afraid of a CCW carrier? lol

Think.

Whoever did this planned it beforehand.He or she also had to plant the devices without being detected,which is where an armed population comes into play.

In order to prevent a terrorism act-or any act of violence-in a gun free zone like Boston, the perpetrator must be stopped before the act by a member of LE-which means dumb luck is the primary security plan.

If a bystander has a weapon they can freely ask the hooded guy in the alley just what the heck is he doing with that bomb-like device, and be able to defend themselves if an attack starts right then and there.Plenty of bad guys have surrendered or been shot by ordinary citizens standing up to them.

[Webologist]

I wouldnt call myself a troll, and definitely not left wing. But I also have a hard time believing a CCW would have prevented something like this. I think we all can agree that things like this will happen, and not all are avoidable.

Agreed most things can't be avoided. Our porous borders negate any attempt at legislating a legal solution. Lefties want to feel good by doing something, no matter how useless it is because they are not constrained by logic.

The left wing comment was aimed at the OP calgunsgestapo...

[skyscraper]

Think.

Whoever did this planned it beforehand.He or she also had to plant the devices without being detected,which is where an armed population comes into play.

In order to prevent a terrorism act-or any act of violence-in a gun free zone like Boston, the perpetrator must be stopped before the act by a member of LE-which means dumb luck is the primary security plan.

If a bystander has a weapon they can freely ask the hooded guy in the alley just what the heck is he doing with that bomb-like device, and be able to defend themselves if an attack starts right then and there.Plenty of bad guys have surrendered or been shot by ordinary citizens standing up to them.

That's assuming the perpetrator(s) were wearing hoods, disguises, etc. The 911 hijackers walked right through the airports.

I dont think it's impossible to think that whoever did this might have blended perfectly in.

Im all for shall issue, but i just dont see how it would have done anything in this case, or in any other large gathering. If I were at a large sporting event/ gathering and saw someone pushing an ice cream cart leave it on the side of the road, i probably wouldnt even notice.

A CCW will not solve all of the worlds problems.

[diverwcw]

Well, look for knee jerk legislation and look for the government to take it out on the population somehow, particularly in this state.

Osama bin Laden succeeded in destroying this nation on September 11, 2001. That is the day the government officially turned against the American people.