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  • #16
    advocatusdiaboli
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2009
    • 5521

    Originally posted by The Tiger
    That's my question? What internet sales are they referring to? Dealers?
    In some states it seems, internet sales are not bg checked while I find that hard to believe they said it so...In CA they are as you must transfer through an FFL in CA and they run the check so we are already bg checked.

    So, broadly, it adds checks to all gun show and internet sales. PPT are not subject to this amendment and Toomey made that clear.

    Further we have a few wins there: when traveling across state lines, you are subject only to the laws of your home state and not the state you travel in. For example all those people being prosecuted in NY for concealed carry with permits their home state would be carrying lawfully. So it is a big step towards reciprocity.

    We'll see if it passes and what is left or added by that time. This is early, but I could live with the amendment as they stated it as it takes a big step toward reciprocity.
    Last edited by advocatusdiaboli; 04-10-2013, 9:39 AM.
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    • #17
      mod8guy
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2012
      • 32

      Just like magazines are ammo.
      Guns... Sharpened stick and 550 cord.

      This brings us to a truth about the modern left. Generally speaking, like all relativistic people, liberals don't have principles.


      They have feelings.


      And feelings change with the wind.

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      • #18
        GutPunch
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 2228

        Not one more inch. Sorry. Completely disinterested as NOTHING here or even currently on the books could stop the Adam Lanzas of the world from being nutjobs.

        The gun legislation Reid wants the Senate to debate would extend the background check requirement to nearly all gun sales. Assuming the deal between Manchin and Toomey is completed, Reid would try to replace that language with their agreement once debate begins, a move that would require a vote.

        The overall gun bill also tightens federal laws against illegal gun sales and slightly increases federal aid for school safety. A proposal to renew and expand the assault-weapons ban, along with a ban on high-capacity magazines, has been dropped from the main bill though it will likely get a vote as an amendment.


        Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2Q50hejaZ
        And yes, it looks like DiFi could try to amend her crap to this bill.
        Last edited by GutPunch; 04-10-2013, 9:47 AM.
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        • #19
          ja308
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2009
          • 12660

          Where Joe Manchin is involved it is suspect.
          Pat Toomey should hear from you.
          202 224 4254

          Statement give them nothing!

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          • #20
            Bsandoc40
            CGSSA Coordinator
            • Jan 2013
            • 2413

            This compromise would be a victory for Democrats. Any new anti-gun legislation that could become law erodes our rights. Doesn't matter if it affects us, in Calfornia or not. Every time anti-gunners get victory, large or small scale, is a loss for us. Republican senators that agree to this compromise, doesn't matter what NRA rating they have received, aren't allies.

            Senators Cruz, Paul & Lee.... Filibuster this!!!!
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            • #21
              cpatbay
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 1631

              Originally posted by strokesdmb
              Is this even a big deal for us in CA?

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              We in CA are already being checked to death!
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              • #22
                Window_Seat
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2008
                • 3533

                No CCW recip language in this bill. It still has to pass the House, no?

                Erik.

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                • #23
                  cpatbay
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 1631

                  Originally posted by Bsandoc40
                  This compromise would be a victory for Democrats. Any new anti-gun legislation that could become law erodes our rights. Doesn't matter if it affects us, in Calfornia or not. Every time anti-gunners get victory, large or small scale, is a loss for us. Republican senators that agree to this compromise, doesn't matter what NRA rating they have received, aren't allies.

                  Senators Cruz, Paul & Lee.... Filibuster this!!!!
                  The Republican Senators didn't want themselves to be seen as not willing to take any action to address gun violence. I guess they chose the least of the poisons available to them.
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                  • #24
                    cpatbay
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2011
                    • 1631

                    Originally posted by Window_Seat
                    No CCW recip language in this bill. It still has to pass the House, no?

                    Erik.
                    Yes, on to the House it goes ...
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                    • #25
                      advocatusdiaboli
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 5521

                      Originally posted by ja308
                      Where Joe Manchin is involved it is suspect.
                      Pat Toomey should hear from you.
                      202 224 4254

                      Statement give them nothing!
                      I will call his office today.
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                      • #26
                        ccmc
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 1797

                        Originally posted by advocatusdiaboli
                        Further we have a few wins there: when traveling across state lines, you are subject only to the laws of your home state and not the state you travel in. For example all those people being prosecuted in NY for concealed carry with permits their home state would be carrying lawfully. So it is a big step towards reciprocity.

                        We'll see if it passes and what is left or added by that time. This is early, but I could live with the amendment as they stated it as it takes a big step toward reciprocity.
                        I read that Schumer got the reciprocity part out of the deal

                        What practical application does what you are describing have - no more arrests at NYC area airports for people with firearms in their checked luggage?

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                        • #27
                          Window_Seat
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 3533

                          We want NO LTC Reciprocity in this bill!

                          Originally posted by ccmc
                          I read that Schumer got the reciprocity part out of the deal
                          THAT IS A GOOD THING... We don't want any pro-RKBA stuff in it so that it doesn't pass the House. No compromising, otherwise we LOSE.

                          Originally posted by ccmc
                          What practical application does what you are describing have - no more arrests at NYC area airports for people with firearms in their checked luggage?
                          We will not need Schumer for the next stand alone Thune carry reciprocity Bill that passes out of both chambers and hitches a ride onto a "must sign" bill.

                          Erik; still optimistic.
                          Last edited by Window_Seat; 04-10-2013, 10:06 AM.

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                          • #28
                            morfeeis
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 7605

                            Originally posted by cpatbay
                            The Republican Senators didn't want themselves to be seen as not willing to take any action to address gun violence. I guess they chose the least of the poisons available to them.
                            This has nothing to do with violence, it has nothing to do with school shootings, this has to do with freedom. Like i said, two wolves made a deal and freedom just got shoved in the oven.
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                            • #29
                              TheBest
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 1112

                              From here: http://media.philly.com/documents/To...check_deal.pdf

                              Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.
                              So we can now go out of state and buy handguns from dealers? Like in NV, AZ, OR or where ever you're travelling?

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                              • #30
                                advocatusdiaboli
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 5521

                                Originally posted by ccmc
                                I read that Schumer got the reciprocity part out of the deal

                                What practical application does what you are describing have - no more arrests at NYC area airports for people with firearms in their checked luggage?
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