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  • todd2968
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 1674

    Here is how I present my point 2nd A

    Many people get caught up in the wording, so I found this and it really gets to the heart of the wording.



    A well operated library being necessary for the literacy of a state,
    the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed



    What do you think? It is not about libraries/militias. It is about books/arms
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    hardlyworking
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 1210

    I like it.

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    • #3
      autoduel
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 1080

      You'll run into the same pitfalls.
      Can I keep books at home? Can I only read books at the library? Can I borrow the books? Is there a limit on the number of books I can check out? Why do I need a library card?
      Ignorance, hate, fear and bigotry. The Four Horsemen of Liberalism.

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      • #4
        jwkincal
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1607

        "A well-informed electorate, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear literature shall not be infringed"

        'electorate' is a better parallel for 'militia,' as is 'literature' for 'arms.'
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        Certainty of death... small chance of success... what are we waiting for? --Gimli, son of Gloin; on attacking the vast army of Mordor

        Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!
        I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
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        • #5
          todd2968
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 1674

          Originally posted by autoduel
          You'll run into the same pitfalls.
          Can I keep books at home? Can I only read books at the library? Can I borrow the books? Is there a limit on the number of books I can check out? Why do I need a library card?
          Your missing the point.

          The first statement has nothing to do with libraries, it only states why they are necessary.
          The main point is: The right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.

          Everyone argues that the 2nd amendment is about the militia being armed, not the people. (but as you can see it is misguided)
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          • #6
            kf6tac
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 1779

            The obvious comeback to that is, "If the Constitution actually contained a provision that was worded this way, I would also understand it to only protect the right to keep and read books in connection with operating libraries."


            Statements I make on this forum should not be construed as giving legal advice or forming an attorney-client relationship.

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            • #7
              Foreman
              Junior Member
              • May 2010
              • 90

              Originally posted by kf6tac
              The obvious comeback to that is, "If the Constitution actually contained a provision that was worded this way, I would also understand it to only protect the right to keep and read books in connection with operating libraries."
              It would be important to ask them, then, whether or not they agreed with certain people being restricted from reading certain books that were deemed "dangerous and unusual", such as Mein Kampf, which espouses bigotry, or the Communist Manifesto, which is widely regarded as the antithesis of our capitalist society, or physics textbooks that deal with chemical reactions in the manner of explosions, or metallurgical texts that detail the strongest steels that can be used in the manufacture of dangerous knives and other weapons.

              Ask them if we can be allowed into bookstores to purchase a book on how to teach a child their ABCs, and if they are able whether or not they must present an ID or have a background check run to walk out of the store with said book, or if they have to endure a waiting period so they don't "go off and read too many books too quickly."

              Ask them if people would be allowed to read the most cutting edge research in the fields of medicine, biology, mathematics, etc., or whether we are only allowed to own and read books with "historical significance", so as not to "confuse or endanger" the minds of children or ourselves.

              Ask them if we would even be allowed to READ the books we CAN own, or else they must ONLY be read in a "well-operated" library.

              If we can own books, could we own more than 10 books before we would be considered to have an "unlicensed library" and are forced to have our books confiscated or burned? Can we only own paperbacks, or are we allowed hardcovers or leather-bound books as well?

              What about the people who ignore this, and hide their books in the attic or under their bed? What happens to them?

              What about people who wish to write their own books? What would constitute a book? Could we carry pamphlets in our pockets in the street? Would we have to register the transfer of said pamphlets from one person to another? Can we put up signage in our store windows? What would be a "reasonable" sign? Or pamphlet? Or book? Would we need to show good cause to carry around a book in public? To write a letter to a friend?

              To post on a forum?
              Last edited by Foreman; 04-09-2013, 6:40 PM. Reason: regulated libraries to operated libraries

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              • #8
                todd2968
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 1674

                Well operated. And shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed book reading
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