How much harm to the pro-2A camp did Charleton Heston's "From My Cold Dead Hands" do?

[Excelsior]

Just how much harm to the pro-2A camp did Charleton Heston's "From My Cold Dead Hands" managed controversy do?

Is the NRA's "managed controversy" operation something that should be canned?

Tom Gresham had some interesting words about that on his show today:

http://ec.libsyn.com/p/2/6/3/263119e...9&c_id=5567127 (Begin listening at 23:55)

[Darto]

None, it did a world of good...that should be obvious.

[Holydude13]

It had no effect of negativity ....he was just saying what the founding fathers would have said

[TRICKSTER]

Zero. Why do you spend so much time attempting to discredit the NRA?

[Mr.Sandman]

Zero. Why do you spend so much time attempting to discredit the NRA?

He is mad everyone took their laser guns and moved to Texas and then continued to bad mouth California.

Did I get all of them....

[tankarian]

Just how much harm to the pro-2A camp did Charleton Heston's "From My Cold Dead Hands" managed controversy do?

Is the NRA's "managed controversy" operation something that should be canned?

Tom Gresham had some interesting words about that on his show today:

https://How much harm to the pro-2A ...ead Hands" do? (Begin listening at 23:55)

[mossy]

it pains me to say this but we will lose in the long run if we don't start working on public image. why do you think they killed off all gun related shows on TV? the battle has been moved out of the court room and into the television studio. look at the last elections, the media picked the winner before the first vote was cast. if we don't focus more on media campaigns we will lose.

[nicki]

Actually I think it may help us.

The reality is "Gun owners" for the most part have been like a "sleeping bear".

Jim Carey's video wasn't funny, it was "tasteless".
It probably didn't cost us much if anything with the general public.

What this video and others like it will do is literally wake the "sleeping bear" up with a good swift kick to it's ****s.

After you do that to a bear, the bear will be in pain short term, then it will turn on you and rip you to shreds.

2014 will be a very bad year for our opponents because they just can't help themselves.

Nicki

[North Bay Guy]

Can't tell if serious!

[bwiese]

Zero. Why do you spend so much time attempting to discredit the NRA?

Yup.

Perhaps he's GOA (a division of GOC, which seems strange until you know the history).

I also note 'excelsior' refers to scrap wood shavings commonly used as packing material (or to line pet cages).

The money that trademark sound bite brought in paid for a lot of election wins.

At this point we don't soften our image, we should merely try to be inclusive as possible. Stridency and pressure and maximal engagement are all how we win.

There will always be non-joiners who want to ride on coattails because they're uncomfortable with some statement or other.

[I'm a tad more worried about NRA mentions of video games, given every 20 - 40r old - including our soldiers! - play CoD, etc. That just makes younger folks go "Que?" and prob is more alienating than Cold Dead Hands pronouncement.

[mag360]

Charlton Heston marched with Martin Luther King. People remember him for bad reasons or that NRA quote only because of their own lack of knowing history.

[guitar-nut]

[I'm a tad more worried about NRA mentions of video games, given every 20 - 40r old - including our soldiers! - play CoD, etc. That just makes younger folks go "Que?" and prob is more alienating than Cold Dead Hands pronouncement.

Yep, the "blame video games and tv" rhetoric recently made me cringe. That's going to totally lose the young crowd (myself included) and plays into the idea of guns only being a "conservative old white people" thing.

[mag360]

Did it really "lose" you? You have to be a member of the NRA. YES HAVE too. I'm under 30 and used to play video games and it really isnt that offensive. My guns are more important than anything at this point. Pick a side.

[Excelsior]

Charlton Heston marched with Martin Luther King. People remember him for bad reasons or that NRA quote only because of their own lack of knowing history.

So?

The cold/dead/hands thingy was not a spontaneous action on CH's part. It was crafted by the NRA as managed controversy.

The reason I asked the question was largely because I wanted to know if people would take 90 seconds to actually listen to Gresham and then maybe a few more to think about what he said before retorting?

Or would they just give the old knee-jerk/half-cocked canned response that CH is great, yadda, yadda, yadda?

[myk]

The reality is "Gun owners" for the most part have been like a "sleeping bear".



Nicki

I think it's even worse than that; what with 90 million gun owners in the country but only 4 million of those people being members of the NRA, this tells me that the majority of gun owners just don't give a flying frak about the 2A. If we could argue that everyone here on Calguns is "awake" ready and willing to fight for the 2A, you can't help but see how bitterly divided we are over the 2A and what it means.

We can criticize the NRA all we want, but since gun owners/activists can't get their act together and unify in order to preserve the 2A, the NRA is one of the few, best shots that we have for fighting the anti/grabber machine...