LAPD'S 19 CCW'S

[yellowfin]

"Regulated" is a word that has fallen into ill use when it comes to the 2nd. The proper meaning of the word is to insure functioning, but the connotation which has taken over has been to bureacratically inhibit, restrict, and obstruct. To do so in that sense is intolerable. We have gotten where we are because of "reasonable regulation." DO NOT FORGET THAT.

[CCWFacts]

Does the 1st, 4th, 5th, etc amendments apply to all people regardless of their immigration status? If you believe they do (and I believe the courts have made rulings that non-citizens and illegals rights are also protected), and Heller confirms the 2nd as an individual right, would that not imply that all people have a right to keep and bear arms (regardless of their immigration status)?

If the court rules that the 2A is so protected that even felons have a right to keep and bear arms, then yes, illegal aliens will also have it. But that won't possibly happen. Gura wasn't arguing for it, and no one except L Neil Smith wants to see that happen.

Post-Heller, felons and illegal immigrants will still not have gun rights.

The tricky part is the crime of illegal immigration is a felony? An illegal immigrant commited/is commiting a felony by entering and staying in the country illegally. However, wouldn't they still retain their firearms rights until convicted of said felony?

I'm not sure if illegal immigration is a felony or what it is. What they do is deport them, not try them, or else we would go bankrupt filling up prisons.

But the big point is:

1. Post-Heller, felons and other prohibited persons will still not have gun rights
2. Illegal immigrants are prohibited persons, just like felons, mentally dangerous, fugitives from justice, etc

None of that is going to change, nor should it.

[odesskiy]

Okay, so when are we going to see the list of 19 approved applicants?

[tango-52]

Okay, so when are we going to see the list of 19 approved applicants?

I wonder how many of them are LAPD reserve officers.

[Billy Jack]

Illegal immigrants are misdemeanors until they have been deported and they sneak back into our country. Then they are Felons.

The 18 LAPD CCWS are civilians. TBJ does not have any interest in Reserve CCWS as they have no bearing on our inquiries.

As to when we will have them that is answered earlier in this thread.

As to being denied having a detrimental effect on a subsequent application in a 'fair issue' county to the SO or a PD. It will not have any effect unless that second department wants some 14Th Amendment action themselves.

A denial that was a violation of the Constitution could hardly be used against you by a second department unless you let them. If you do not mind the obvious violation they will most certainly accommodate you.

Billy Jack

[duenor]

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[Phugedaboudet]

what defines "good cause"? Is a recent increase in gang activity in my apartment's driveway sufficient? thinly veiled threats from Sureno's and VST members? Or do I need a restraining order and stalkers' letters first?

[Knauga]

It might be best to contact TBJ directly with your potential good cause. I don't think it is wise or necessary to post it in a public internet forum.

[Phugedaboudet]

Don't worry, I will when it comes to specifics. But i wanted to get a rough feel for what CA considers "good". I had a CCW in WA state and there wasn't an issue if you could pass the background checks. here I was once told that you had to have specific provable threats to your own or immediate family members' lives before you had a chance of getting a permit. Before I start getting forms from the Sherriff's Office and paying filing fees I wanted to get an idea of what the truth really was. Because i don't have any recorded threats or letters for proof.

It might be best to contact TBJ directly with your potential good cause. I don't think it is wise or necessary to post it in a public internet forum.

[Scarecrow Repair]

I'm a little late chiming in here, but this is really annoying.

I disagree with this, if you are not a US citizen you shouldn't be afforded the right to a CCW or the right to have a gun. That right should be for citizens only.

There's the whole matter of your rewording of the second amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the privilege of the citizens to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, except by rue.

Is that really how you see things? It's exactly how the Brady Bunch sees it, as a privilege not a right, revocable at will by pretty much anybody who sees fit to take away other peoples' rights.

[Gator Monroe]

I Knew it ! (I always said it was less than 100 CCW's given OVER LAST 35 YEARS) and prolly less than 30 !

[Gator Monroe]

Are the Brady Bunch Liberal Democrats ?