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  • walterwhite
    Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 173

    To everyone following this thread, I’m sorry I wasn’t able to post an After Action Report last night, I was falling asleep at the keyboard, and couldn’t think. To everyone that attended, Calguns.net / CGSSA wants to express that your efforts while not having the effect of slowing these bills down at the Public Safety Committee hearings, your example resonates to other pro 2A/Gun that they too need to drop whatever they are doing and join this fight. Everyone that attended also knows that the Calgunners that couldn’t attend wanted to be there, and most are willing to do whatever they can in their local community. None should forget that when we purchased a firearm we exercised our 2 nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms, we also accept that it is our DUTY to defend this right. Rights bestow privileges, with privilege comes responsibility.
    There were so many I met for the first time, you know who you are, each of you that provided your contact info, I will contact you directly. Again thank you.

    SOME WHO JOINED US, DROVE FROM L.A, San Jose, Bakersfield! (You sacrifice & resolve is a shinning example!) Most of our people were local. The other side had to draw people from all around the state to get numbers, most came from San Francisco and the Bay Area.

    AFTER ACTION REPORT
    When I arrived a few minutes before 8am Tue. morning at the front steps of the Capital Bldg, there was already about 20-25 people waiting. It was so encouraging, they not only were waiting to get into the Capital/hearings, they volunteered to do whatever necessary to make the day effective. Two volunteered to check the other entrances for more Calgunners and Tea Partiers who joined us, they took our Calguns.net neck lanyards to distribute.
    & on the flip side of the NO was a YES

    This little detail may seem insignificant but it was HUGE. The lanyards made our group easily identifiable, the NO was waved when anything anti-2A/gun was being said, and the YES waved when our pro 2A/gun presenters spoke.

    One thing for sure if our group had NOT shown up, the opposition's numbers would have been 4 to 1 to our side, their side had their paid group with a big segment in white hospital coats and our side would have maybe 10-20 to make comments instead of approx 80.

    Our pro 2A/Gun official presenters including LEO, and legislative advocates (lobbyist), all were so grateful that we showed up in FORCE! Without Calguns that would NOT have happened!

    The other side is VERY VERY organized. They will have MORE white coats and anti-2A union activist when these bills move to the Appropriations Committee. (We Will keep you informed). IT IS OUR DUTY to defend our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, every step of the way! It would be a tragedy if our side lets down all who have sacrificed, bled and died for our rights, if we FAIL TO DEFEND those same rights.

    YES the Public Safety Committee voted to pass the 12 bills, they have an overwhelming majority. However there are steps that we can take that still can effect the outcome before the bills are made law. I will post below some of those steps that YOU can do RIGHT NOW!

    It should be noted that the National Sports Shooting Foundation NSSF, who already had a local legislative advocate present, flew out from HQ another pro advocate, it would have been nice if the NRA could put as much into this effort. Yes Ed Worley NRA's local legislative advocate was present and did a fine job. Several times he was outstanding in his presentation, however the NRA needs to step up to the plate with something that has some serious attention power.

    Sheriff John D'Agostini was there, he is quickly becoming a national figure for his stance against all anti-2A legislation and a hero to gun owners across America. Also the Sheriff (for got his name) who said he would NOT enforce this unconstitutional legislation was awesome, drew applause and cheers, which the committee chairman & Sgt at Arms quickly reacted to. Other LEOs were present also supporting our RIGHT & JUST cause, THANK YOU to all THE LEOs who could make it. WE WILL NEED EVEN MORE when these bills appear before Appropriations Committee!

    VERY IMPORTANT, If you didn't make it to the Capital you can do this TODAY!
    EVERYONE needs to either send a note of thanks or phone msg to Senator Joel Anderson (Vice Chair) of the Public Safety Committee
    Capitol Office email here
    State Capitol, Room 5052, Sacramento, CA 95814-4900; (916) 651-4036
    District Offices
    and,
    Senator Steve Knight

    Capitol Office email here
    State Capitol, Room 2048, Sacramento, CA 95814-4900; (916) 651-4021
    District Office
    848 W. Lancaster Blvd., Suite 101, Lancaster, CA 93534; (661) 729-6232

    14343 Civic Drive, First Floor, Victorville, CA 92392; (760) 843-8414

    23920 Valencia Blvd., Suite 250, Santa Clarita, CA 91355; (661) 286-1471
    27555 Ynez Road, Suite 204, Temecula, CA 92591; (951) 676-1020
    500 Fesler Street, Suite 201, El Cajon, CA 92020; (619) 596-3136

    It is very clear that getting the print media i.e. SacBee to even write about what is going on at the capital is difficult. I DO NOT take the Sac Bee, I checked online this morning there is NOT ONE article on the hearings. However Channel 3 TV did interview me on camera. My wife says it didn't make it on TV, but they know we are fighting, and they will cover it, even if they give the opposition more air time. IF WE HAD 200 THERE YESTERDAY, every news channel would have been there and it would make statewide news. If we had filled the 188 seat room plus the hall with 300 it would make national news. THE FIGHT IS UP TO YOU!

    OK, you didn't make it, or you did makeit, WHAT NOW?

    WRITE LETTERS - ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL
    All of the our lobbyist told me to tell Calguns to write letters to their district representatives, and VERY important to write letters to the next step which is the appropriations committee.
    You can locate your districts contact info here

    Is there more we can do? YES

    I will start a new thread in the next two days) and have some links that explain clearly how we can AMP UP the fight!

    PM me to enlist in this fight!
    If you have suggestions PM them to me.
    4 People JOINED our Calguns / CGSSA grassroots team yesterday, another dozen said they would help, and at least 3 representing other organizations said they would coordinate with us.
    I have sought out lobbyist, lawyers with capital connections, and a battle plan is taking shape. We are working hard to get other organizations involved specifically for this fight. The Calif State Tea Party Chairman is on board and willing to help. But this effort takes arms and legs. We need people with writing skills, php/css/html programming skills, experienced pro level web development skills, we need you. We need people to get on the phone and make calls, people that have the ability to make effective presentations. We need people who regularly move inside of professional doctor/attorney/high end communities circles ala the country club set. If anyone notice many of the opposition claimed they were some kind of Doctor. MOST OF ALL we need volunteers who understand the URGENCY is NOW! Join others who have dropped their gear right here and started fighting back!

    EVERYONE NEEDS TO THANK ONE PERSON
    Can'thavenuthingood (Vick)


    Vick made the Calguns effort possible, Vick PMd me immediately after reading my initial post on the Apr 16 hearings, he recruited me to head this effort. Vick convinced Calguns to get me on board CGSSA as grassroots coordinator. Vick paid for all the Lanyards and placards out of his pocket, Vick printed the Calguns.net piece inside the lanyard. Vick paid for literature, and other materials to distribute. Vic called me daily to encourage me to FIGHT! Was Vic in Sacramento, NO, he lives in Lemoore, he couldn't be there, was VIC virtually there? Absolutely YES!, without his efforts Calguns would NOT have had very many there. EVERYONE can make an impact, just get involved like Vic! Vic retired from the Marine Corp, he knows he isn't done fighting for our/his country's rights. Vic is a true Patriot!
    Last edited by walterwhite; 04-17-2013, 1:49 PM.
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    • JustEd
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 988

      Originally posted by walterwhite
      To everyone following this thread, I
      I appreciate you organizing and pointing out that the lab rats in white coats were paid participants.

      Had to go home at lunchtime and there was an entire flock of them crossing the street chaperoned by what appeared to be their "handlers." Seriously, it was like watching someone in custody being taken into the court house.

      I would not be surprised to find out that they are paid by a large public employees union and that few or none of them are enrolled in the UC system.
      "I think, therefore some people make me laugh"

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      • kaligaran
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 4800

        Originally posted by walterwhite

        One thing for sure if our group had NOT shown up, the opposition's numbers would have been 4 to 1 to our side, their side had their paid group with a big segment in white hospital coats and our side would have maybe 10-20 to make comments instead of approx 80.
        Really? They were paid to go? Can you give more info on this and how you found out?
        WTB: multiautomatic ghost gun with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Must include shoulder thing that goes up.
        Memberships/Affiliations: CERT, ARRL ARES, NRA Patron Member, HRC, CGN/CGSSA, Cal-FFL

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        • JustEd
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 988

          And a great big thanks to Vic!!!!
          "I think, therefore some people make me laugh"

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          • Rick S.
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 40

            was a long long day. glad i went, unfortunately this is what talking does anymore. it gives "ownership" the confidence to disregard any comments and personal stories because they know they just need to sit through the day and vote how they knew they were gonna vote from day 1... talking is how they keep the "honest people honest". Going quietly or going loudly, is still Going.

            Thanks you for the organization it took to get this thing together, like i said im new but starting to see what the fights all about, thanks to all involved.
            Last edited by Rick S.; 04-17-2013, 10:56 PM.

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            • DrjonesUSA
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 4680

              Originally posted by BonnieB

              So there's still time to lobby your legislators. It isn't over, not by a long shot.

              I humbly put forth the notion that, if by the end of May, a CalGun forum member has not gotten from various electeds' staffs at least 3 annoyed email replies like I got - "Yes, I know you've been writing DrjonesUSA...we have received over one hundred emails from you alone" - then you get banned from the forum.

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              • Dreaded Claymore
                Veteran Member
                • May 2010
                • 3231

                I actually talked to some of the people in white coats. (As a precaution, I first removed my lanyard and stuck it in my pocket.) They were students, studying various healthcare fields (a lot of those I spoke to were pharmacy students), from various schools around California. They were there for a "student legislative day" type event, and were lobbying for various bills, mostly ones that were directly related to healthcare.

                One bill that they they mentioned to me would classify pharmacists as healthcare providers and allow them to prescribe "almost-over-the-counter" things like birth control pills, thereby saving people the cost of a trip to the doctor.

                I think the ones who showed up in our hearing were just there incidentally.

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                • Librarian
                  Admin and Poltergeist
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44626

                  Contra Costa Times has an article - http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_2...costatimes.com

                  ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                  Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                  • walterwhite
                    Member
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 173

                    If anyone who attended the hearings took pictures, would you please PM me, I will give you my email. I would greatly appreciate some pictures of our people with the lanyards showing either the Calguns.net or the NO. Pics of us standing in line to make our opposition comments, etc.

                    Thank you...
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                    • Meatwaggon
                      Junior Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 41

                      Originally posted by Invectivus
                      the sad fact is, between the 2nd, the 5th, and the 14th amendments, ANY regulation or restriction on acquisition or possession of small arms is illegal, when applied to a person who's rights are not limited by age or crime. IMO.
                      Wrong. Let's be clear: a limitation of the 2nd Amendment, such as an assault weapons ban, depending on how it's worded, could in fact be quite legal and enforceable. There is an AWB currently in force here in CA. There was a nationwide AWB from 1994 to 2004. For those of you who feel this is somehow an 'illegal' infringement of the 2A, you must then also be forced to conclude that every last gunowner in CA and the rest of the country were/are either incompetent, asleep at the wheel, or just didn't/don't know the law, and we all just somehow laid down and allowed the gun grabbers to ban our firearms. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the 1994 AWB was legal, the current CA AWB is legal, and you feeling or wanting or opinionating otherwise, don't make it not so.

                      The challenges to the current slew of bills will not be based on people believing that their 2A rights are being limited (they can in fact be lawfully limited, and this has already been established with legal precedent), but from other statutes of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, such as the Fifth Amendment (no confiscation without just compensation), Article 9 of the Constitution (no ex post facto criminalization), and the 14th Amendment (due process, including no vague laws). IMO the 2nd Amendment itself will actually take a back seat in the upcoming legal battles.

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                      • JustEd
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 988

                        Originally posted by Dreaded Claymore
                        I actually talked to some of the people in white coats. (As a precaution, I first removed my lanyard and stuck it in my pocket.) They were students, studying various healthcare fields (a lot of those I spoke to were pharmacy students), from various schools around California. They were there for a "student legislative day" type event, and were lobbying for various bills, mostly ones that were directly related to healthcare.

                        One bill that they they mentioned to me would classify pharmacists as healthcare providers and allow them to prescribe "almost-over-the-counter" things like birth control pills, thereby saving people the cost of a trip to the doctor.

                        I think the ones who showed up in our hearing were just there incidentally.
                        Did you get the opportunity to speak with any of the chaperones? They hardly looked like teachers to me.
                        "I think, therefore some people make me laugh"

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                        • trappedinUC
                          Junior Member
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 2

                          Hi, new member here. First of all thanks to everyone who showed up on Tuesday, you guys are my heroes. Unfortunately, I had laboratory work at school so I couldn't go. However, since I go to UC Davis, going to Sacramento for the next protest is fairly convenient for me (just not in Tues-Thurs).
                          Again, thanks for fighting for my rights, I've heard way too much anti-freedom speech on campus everyday.

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                          • jmr916
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 2

                            I think we need to change the argument a bit-many CA lawmakers despise the 2nd amendment, so the Bill of Rights argument carries no weight with them. We should all become familiar with these statistics and add them to our "criminals don't follow the law" arguments and letters as proof-points. The link is a study on how many criminals return to prison within three years of release. Note: 67% of those convicted of felon in possession of a weapon return to prison within three years. So, will they now make sure they only have 10 round magazines before their next assault?

                            Look at some of the others, its shocking--as Californians we are apparently OK with 52% of rapists being released and re-convicted within three years of release. 62% of those convicted of assault with a deadly weapon. Doesn't it seem to make more sense to look at ways to reduce these numbers rather than passing more restrictions on you and I? And these are just convictions, I'd bet offenses actually committed but not convicted are 20X higher, or more.


                            See attached image for highlights (or lowlights really)--this is where the real problem lies, yet not one of the bills discussed Tuesday did anything whatsoever about this problem, the real people using guns in crimes.
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                            • Meatwaggon
                              Junior Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 41

                              Originally posted by jmr916
                              I think we need to change the argument a bit-many CA lawmakers despise the 2nd amendment, so the Bill of Rights argument carries no weight with them. We should all become familiar with these statistics and add them to our "criminals don't follow the law" arguments and letters as proof-points. The link is a study on how many criminals return to prison within three years of release. Note: 67% of those convicted of felon in possession of a weapon return to prison within three years. So, will they now make sure they only have 10 round magazines before their next assault?

                              Look at some of the others, its shocking--as Californians we are apparently OK with 52% of rapists being released and re-convicted within three years of release. 62% of those convicted of assault with a deadly weapon. Doesn't it seem to make more sense to look at ways to reduce these numbers rather than passing more restrictions on you and I? And these are just convictions, I'd bet offenses actually committed but not convicted are 20X higher, or more.


                              See attached image for highlights (or lowlights really)--this is where the real problem lies, yet not one of the bills discussed Tuesday did anything whatsoever about this problem, the real people using guns in crimes.
                              Many CA lawmakers don't care what arguments you make, including throwing statistics at them; you can quote statistics until you're blue in the face and they will not change their mind. Don't waste your breath. The Bill of Rights "argument" is not an argument, it is a legal case, and if won, has the power of the federal government behind it. They will certainly not be ignoring that.

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                              • Hoooper
                                Veteran Member
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 2711

                                Originally posted by Meatwaggon
                                Wrong. Let's be clear: a limitation of the 2nd Amendment, such as an assault weapons ban, depending on how it's worded, could in fact be quite legal and enforceable. There is an AWB currently in force here in CA. There was a nationwide AWB from 1994 to 2004. For those of you who feel this is somehow an 'illegal' infringement of the 2A, you must then also be forced to conclude that every last gunowner in CA and the rest of the country were/are either incompetent, asleep at the wheel, or just didn't/don't know the law, and we all just somehow laid down and allowed the gun grabbers to ban our firearms. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the 1994 AWB was legal, the current CA AWB is legal, and you feeling or wanting or opinionating otherwise, don't make it not so.
                                it is wildly inappropriate to say that because a previous law was successfully enacted and followed that it was constitutional. After all, the great majority of laws that are overturned by SCOTUS had been successfully enacted and followed before being overturned.

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