Isn't it IRONIC...

[Samuel Whittemore]

Pathetically Ironic -- but Ironic none the less..

[Whiterabbit]

what's ironic is California is so overly ban-happy, that given the choice between legalizing gay marriage, we chose to ban that too.


THAT is irony to me.

[swilson]

It's ironic that in The US, the most free country on earth, it's citizens not only don't want to educate themselves on their rights but are screaming to get rid of them... for nothing in return except less freedom.

[penguin0123]

It's ironic that in The US, the most free country on earth, it's citizens not only don't want to educate themselves on their rights but are screaming to get rid of them... for nothing in return except less freedom.

Remember that Hitler was voted into power. There is nothing ironic about people voluntarily giving up freedom for a "pie in the sky". It is just one of the darker sides of human nature.

[Wherryj]

Pathetically Ironic -- but Ironic none the less..

Actually, it's not ironic at all. The ENTIRE Constitution and Bill or Rights deal with VERY SPECIFIC powers given to government as well as a list of rights which cannot be infringed.

There is a reason that this document was written, as all governments are corrupt and all men are prone to corruption by power. The founders understood human nature and tried to protect us from it. Unfortunately we are far too quick to see the "government freebies" (actually, paid for by taking money from someone else) and our own frivolous pursuits ("I'd get upset, but Dancing with the Stars is on").

What is ironic is that a country the paid for its liberty with the blood of hundreds of thousands of its people is so fast to give that liberty away.

[paul0660]

Remember that Hitler was voted into power. There is nothing ironic about people voluntarily giving up freedom for a "pie in the sky". It is just one of the darker sides of human nature.

Hitler voted into power? You have no credibility.

[phamkl]

He was appointed to be chancellor which was a decision the elected president made reluctantly under much political pressure from rich and powerful national socialists (aka Nazis.) "Voted" into power is only correct insofar as he was a viable political figure and managed to gain a lot of influence through his signature demagoguery.

[Lone_Gunman]

Yup. Like a free ride, when you've already paid. Dontcha think?

[Wherryj]

what's ironic is California is so overly ban-happy, that given the choice between legalizing gay marriage, we chose to ban that too.


THAT is irony to me.

I found that ironic as well. I thought that CA would be a slam dunk for legalizing gay marriage just like they did with marijuana. I guess that our elites are training us well. No freedoms shall go unoppressed. No personal choice shall go unquestioned. It's "for the children".

[waffmaster]

We need relentless propaganda soft and hard to change the common voter mentality in California which helped getting elected a community organizer hungry for power, and has kept in power a useless senator of little intelligence causing damage to the 2a over and over again through the years.

[Red Right Hand]

No freedoms shall go unoppressed. No personal choice shall go unquestioned. It's "for the children".

[Tarn_Helm]

Prophetic

Pathetically Ironic -- but Ironic none the less..

It is more prophetic than ironic.

The Founders had an understanding of human nature that was informed by their study of history.

History teaches that powerful people seek to augment and consolidate power at others' expense.

The Founders were what "liberals" today would call "paranoid."

The residual effect of their "paranoia" has kept us free and dominant for over 200 years.

That's my idea of a good way to be.

Carry on.

[rm1911]

He was appointed to be chancellor which was a decision the elected president made reluctantly under much political pressure from rich and powerful national socialists (aka Nazis.) "Voted" into power is only correct insofar as he was a viable political figure and managed to gain a lot of influence through his signature demagoguery.

Er, sort of. In the 1932 election the nazis won 40% of the vote. They had a parliamentary system and the nazis were the largest party. He became chancellor as kind of a deal and then apppointed president upon hinenbergs death.

It's not 100% correct to say he was elected but the nazis were the largest party in the reichstag and that was form the election. So it is correct to say he came to power through the democratic process.

It's splitting hairs however there was no system of checks nor a limitation on power, etc. with enabling act, of course a piece of legislation, he became dictator.

Again all through the democratic and legal process.

Which is of course what the founders feared more than anything as they'd seen it play out in Rome. They'd read their polybius and their Thucydides and their Livy.

[LBDamned]

It's ironic that in The US, the most free country on earth, it's citizens not only don't want to educate themselves on their rights but are screaming to get rid of them... for nothing in return except less freedom.

"Free Country" is a farce... these days that phrase is interpreted as "go to the US, they will pay for everything"...

And to the ban machine... you know it's gone full pathetic when they start banning fire pits at the beach (overzealous kooks are getting out of control).

and as long as I'm venting... I hate seeing all the online poker sites that cater to the rest of the world - with a notation that says "no US players" because of the Feds and their money grabbing power trip ...

Free Country my A ss

[DannyInSoCal]

Irony:

When self protection rights are infringed - Violent crime rates are proven to increase. While banning guns under the guise of "public safety" - The public is actually less safe.