gov't speaks about conceal & carry

[FlyingPen]

Any links that quote Obama being for a AW ban?

[GuyW]

All I'm saying is that if I go to the Tuesday night block party on Main street and some nut goes crazy I don't want to have to worry about 10 mall ninjas unloading into a crowd of people.

....These are just my opinions, they mean nothing to the grand scheme....

Yeah, especially since your wild speculations about the careless nature of CCW holders have already been disproved as false in almost 40 Shall-Issue states...

[dfletcher]

Obama Quote Info

Any links that quote Obama being for a AW ban?

http://www.sportsmenforobama.org/content/view/16/30/

[SONYEXEC]

I think the criteria for CCW has been pretty well set by most states...there is no "rubber stamping" of CCWs and don't think there ever will be but those who oppose would like you to think exactly that. Firearm proficiency is already covered in most CCW permit regulations so why would he make such a comment? To incite 80% of the US population that don't know any better that's why.

A comment on the "proficiency" comment. The best of the best, LAPD's SWAT accidentaly took out a 1.5 yr old girl while her dad was holding her hostage and as a shield in somecases. my point is not that the dad was a scumbag (he was) but the best of the best, have the finest weapons, have fired more rounds in training then you'll fire in your life time, who roll play various scenarious and on, and on, and on, still ACCIDENTALLY took out a innocent person so please...weapon proficiency is to be looked at on a case by case basis and sweeping comments about it should not be tolerated.

[Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck]

All I'm saying is that if I go to the Tuesday night block party on Main street and some nut goes crazy I don't want to have to worry about 10 mall ninjas unloading into a crowd of people. I think that going from where we are now all the way to rubber stamping ccws would be a bad move, I think that that is all Obama was trying to say too, but who knows.

And I see police officers poor marksmanship as even more proof that skilled carriers are better, I'd rather the situation be done and over before the cops arrive, would you want to be holding off a nut job thief when the black and whites pull up?

These are just my opinions, they mean nothing to the grand scheme, whenever it comes down to it, the only options are strict laws and liberal(by definition) laws, intermediate is rarely an option, and I would never support strict ones.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the Israelis who carry and have to knock off the occasionally Palestinian suicide bomber/gunman/etc. necessarily have oodles of training either. In the end, like most choices, you have to weigh whether the benefits outweigh the risk. That (and also the fact self defense is an inherent right) is why I think that there shouldn't be any ban on "rubber stamping", as you put it, CCW permits. Look at Vermont. People can carry there regardless of who they are, and I can't recall any horrendous accident like you envision. Instead they experienced a dramatic reduction in crime--as you'd expect.

As an aside, I found this statistic from this site particularly interesting:

" Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606). (23) And readers of Newsweek learned in 1993 that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high." (24)"

24. George F. Will, "Are We 'a Nation of Cowards'?," Newsweek (15 November 1993):93.

Now, I realize that LEOs are more likely to find themselves in an "offensive" sort of situation where they will need to ID who is a hostile and who isn't, while most non-LEOs will not have to make that sort of decision. For instance, a SWAT team (hopefully with a warrant) bursting into a violent offender's house will have to identify who is dangerous and who isn't, whereas someone who is surprised by a home invader will have a more obvious target. Nevertheless, I find it significant that there's a five-time difference in accuracy even with two times the kills.

[FlyingPen]

http://www.sportsmenforobama.org/content/view/16/30/

I dont' know, quite a lot of my views on politics and laws have changed since 1994.

[ibanezfoo]

+1
Training received by LEO's these days is thoroughly inadequate.

+5

I've talked to some guys who didn't even know what kind of pistol they carried. "I dunno, whatever they issue me..."

-Bryan