Why Will California Guns Laws Spread To Other States?

[ccmc]

I've read a lot of posts here that say this. Where's the evidence? From what I can see the exact opposite is what's happening ie the chasm between (relatively) liberal gun laws in shall issue states and the restrictively draconian gun laws in states like California is widening.

[Rusty_Rebar]

Well, obviously CA laws have no meaning in other states. But that is not really your question. I think it depends. It does not seem likely that AZ or NV would enact the same kind of laws, but they could. It just all depends on the makeup of the various state houses. It does seem like NY and CA like to have similar laws.

[Librarian]

Currently the Fine Gentlemen and Ladies of some of the State Legislatures seem to be in competition to see which can be the most annoying; at that level, it seems just to be the time, not a California-origin thing.

However, Our Fine Senator Diane Feinstein has already once exported an 'assault weapon law' to the whole country, 1994-2004, and appears to wish a repeat.

[SilverTauron]

I've read a lot of posts here that say this. Where's the evidence? From what I can see the exact opposite is what's happening ie the chasm between (relatively) liberal gun laws in shall issue states and the restrictively draconian gun laws in states like California is widening.

California itself, for one. In the 1980s it used to be a Red state.

For a more recent example we have Colorado. Red states typically have lower costs of living and lower taxes,which attracts liberals fed up with the high taxes associated with the large government services they like.

They then complain about the lack of services and weak gun laws of their new home and immediately see about voting Democrat to correct those "problems".

10 years later the cycle repeats itself like the AIDS virus.Forbes has a neat migration chart which shows the places LA and NYC residents are moving to. Lets just say Texas won't be Red for much longer if current projections hold true.

[ccmc]

Currently the Fine Gentlemen and Ladies of some of the State Legislatures seem to be in competition to see which can be the most annoying; at that level, it seems just to be the time, not a California-origin thing.

However, Our Fine Senator Diane Feinstein has already once exported an 'assault weapon law' to the whole country, 1994-2004, and appears to wish a repeat.

Those states are the usual suspects, and are in the minority. As for Feinstein's repeat proposal, at least two governors (Mississippi and Texas) have announced any such law won't be enforced in their states, and several other state legislatures have declared the same thing.

[Creeping Incrementalism]

It just all depends on the makeup of the various state houses. It does seem like NY and CA like to have similar laws.

Yeah, the states that already have AW bans are likely to copy some of the CA/NY stuff: Mass, Jersey, etc. Zona and similar should remain safe as sanctuaries.

[domino]

I have heard and read some that say the following as well:

College kids come to CA and get educated, go back to their home state with a liberal mindset and vote differently.

I have also seen some say this as well -
Californians are moving out to other nearby states and also taking their liberal ideas and agendas with them and voting in other states they move to as they would vote here in CA.

Some are saying that the CA liberal fire is spreading to other states.

I am not sure if they are right or wrong , but I can tell you this, last year I went to Idaho as I was thinking of moving there. The friends we stayed with said this to my wife and I. That people move there from CA with the idea that they want to be more free, but when they get there they end up voting for some of the same way they would in CA. Our friends that have lived there all their life get pretty upset about it, they claim that they are a very libiterian state but when outsiders from CA get there they tend to vote for more regulations and laws that are not needed.

[ccmc]

California itself, for one. In the 1980s it used to be a Red state.

For a more recent example we have Colorado. Red states typically have lower costs of living and lower taxes,which attracts liberals fed up with the high taxes associated with the large government services they like.

They then complain about the lack of services and weak gun laws of their new home and immediately see about voting Democrat to correct those "problems".

10 years later the cycle repeats itself like the AIDS virus.Forbes has a neat migration chart which shows the places LA and NYC residents are moving to. Lets just say Texas won't be Red for much longer if current projections hold true.

Well I live in Florida which is neither red nor blue when it comes to presidential elections, and has one republican and one democrat senator, but I don't ever see California like gun laws coming here. I'm not talking just about mag cap limits or so-called AWs, but handgun rosters, may issue, etc. People forget Florida used to have a may issue system very similar to California's until the state went shall issue in 1987 (btw the wait for getting an appointment for new CWFL applicants here is now four months - a good friend took the course last week, and made her appointment - second week in June were earliest available dates).

[CAL.BAR]

Yeah - ITS ALREADY HAPPENED! D.C. Copied CA gun laws right down to our crazy roster. NY is counting rounds in the mag like CA, NJ and others. So, we think it will happen B/C it already has. States like MN that we think of really rural and "pro-gun" are now coming out of the woodwork to ban guns.

[ccmc]

Yeah - ITS ALREADY HAPPENED! D.C. Copied CA gun laws right down to our crazy roster. NY is counting rounds in the mag like CA, NJ and others. So, we think it will happen B/C it already has. States like MN that we think of really rural and "pro-gun" are now coming out of the woodwork to ban guns.

You're using like minded examples (which I addressed in my OP) with the exception of Minnesota which is a very blue state (two democrat senators, democrat governor, democrat control of both state legislative bodies) - even so the current bill there will be a tough sell.

Why don't you talk about the southern states, or states like Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, etc?

[InGrAM]

California itself, for one. In the 1980s it used to be a Red state.

For a more recent example we have Colorado. Red states typically have lower costs of living and lower taxes,which attracts liberals fed up with the high taxes associated with the large government services they like.

They then complain about the lack of services and weak gun laws of their new home and immediately see about voting Democrat to correct those "problems".

10 years later the cycle repeats itself like the AIDS virus.Forbes has a neat migration chart which shows the places LA and NYC residents are moving to. Lets just say Texas won't be Red for much longer if current projections hold true.

^ this.

It is sad but CA used to be a great place to live. I feel for all of those warm blooded, hard working Texans that won't recognize their state in 20 years because of liberal, nanny state'rs moving in by the droves...

[Moonshine]

Take a look at the demographics, Nevada went for Obama not once, but TWICE. Language from SB-23 is being used federally, and in other states such as NY and MN. And unless Texas can surpress te Latino vote an AW ban is comming there. AWBs are a blue state feature and when a state has enough dems and a dem governor they happen.