What about this idea?

[Gapmaster]

Seems the anti's file for any kind of legislation they want. Why doesn't any of our pro 2nd amendment Congressman or Senators file for legislation that says " any members of Congress or any Senator that violates their oath to protect and defend the Constitution and files for laws aganist it get tried for treason and get removed from office? Seems like I've said over and over, we are always on the defense. We should get the powerful politicions that are on our side to get on the offense.and get mean and dirty like the antis. Fight fire with fire. I don't see anything we are doing now helping at all. Like the fella said in another post, hardly anyone will even show up at a rally to support our 2nd Amendment right. 20 times our showing shows up at gay rights marches in SF. We look pathetic.

[zhyla]

Fail.

[Gapmaster]

LOL

Nice response. Proves my point exactly.

[berto]

Treason is a crime with a very high bar. There exists a mechanism to remove members of congress. It's all in the constitution.

[Gapmaster]

Public Office

Well, I guess I'm just way out there then. Because I feel that ANY public officer that swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States----then does just the opposite----is treasonous. It seems to me everyone is willing to compromise what that oath means (among the many other things they are willing to compromise), and that is exactly why we have been, and will continue to keep getting our butts kicked in the political arena. People used to hang for that kind of stuff. Now they just testify in Senate hearings and lie---then go run for president. People should be pissed and stop worrying about how they are going to look or afraid of hurting someones feelings. My point is the people on our side that have the power should be bringing up charges against these guys but it seems they are content with just debating issues instead of making examples of the trouble makers. The rules we have played by for so many years has done nothing but magnify the problems we are having now. Everyone says they are pissed, but hardly anyone shows up at the rallies. I guess it's just not as important to them as they make it out to be.

[berto]

I understand your frustration. The current legislation is despicable and against our shared belief in what the second amendment means. Unfortunately our view is not the accepted meaning. The courts have left room for some restriction. The current legislation does not rise to treasonous. No member of congress will act to remove another member over mere proposed legislation. With power comes responsibility. Constantly screaming for impeachment and yelling treason is irresponsible. Congress critters know that while they might have the power to call each other to account for legislation they have neither the votes nor the reason to levy such charges. Vote, contact legislators, rally, etc.

[jdberger]

Organize, walk districts, volunteer, speak at public meetings ...

[kf6tac]

For one thing, in order for any such law to have any teeth, the same pro-gun reps who would propose it would end up being tried for treason because a great many of them have probably taken stances on things like abortion that are contrary to existing Supreme Court precedent - to say nothing of Court of Appeals precedents or district court rulings. In the alternative, the standard for whether someone has failed to protect and defend the Constitution could be tied to clearly established law, but as we've seen from federal habeas corpus jurisprudence, which uses a very similar standard, that bar is so high that it would be very rarely met.

[DannyInSoCal]

The current domestic enemies are on a path of their own demise....

[Gapmaster]

Idea

Well, look above at JDberger's signature. Part of it says " 90% of winning is just showing up".

People can make all the excuses they want about not showing up but there is no excuse for it. All gun owners get on these forums and complain and ***** about what is happening, yet hardly any of them show up at the rallies that someone put so much work into organizing. I'm serious when I say that if it was a gay rights rally, they would have to close the darn Golden Gate Bridge because of the amount of people that show up, and put the whole police department on the clock. Couple of guys on horseback and a couple on foot handles our little group. So, if everyone is so worried and upset and truly concerned about loosing their 2nd amendment rights----where are they? My point is I don't think the biggest part of the group is as concerned about it as we might think. If they are not going to show up now, they certainly will not show up when the line in the sand gets crossed. Look what I'm saying, it's already been crossed and still even though we need every single guy to be at these things to show we are serious and to let them really know what they are up against---most stay home because they have something more important to do. So I was saying, I think the battle was lost long ago just from what I'm seeing all around me. The majority of gun owners are all talk and no action and that just bothers the hell out of me. When we should be marching, they are at the range shooting. How ironic is that? This is the end of the line for us here in California, and I don't think some gun owners are seeing it at all. It's all going away if we don't ban together and mean it, and I'm not seeing that happening at all. All the letters we write get answered with standard form crap because they could care less about us. Most don't answer any of the letters at all. We are not towing the line well at all. There should be 10,000 of us standing on the steps right now, not 300 to 500.

[jdberger]

agreed

[RuskieShooter]

I've always thought it would be nice to pass a law that says something to the effect that any legislator that sponsors, or co-sponseors, a bill that gets made into law that if the law is later overturned in the courts the sponsors/co-sponsors are personally liable for all costs incurred by the state defending that law in court.

I bet we would see a drastic reduction in the number of bad bills written...

-Ruskie

[mt4design]

High crimes and misdemeanors is a lot lower threshold but can lead to the loss of their seat.

Many of these elected officials have never bothered to read the Constitution and they don't even read the bills they vote on. They let lobbyists, corporations, or their staffers write them.

We've been sold out and they grow bloated on the power they usurp from we, the people.

[Gapmaster]

Well, I for sure agree with RuskieShooter.

I have been under the impression that certain members of CalGuns have personal contact with some big name politicians. If that is the case, I hope they are reading this.

Pull them aside and make a point of telling this politician that he needs to fight back by hitting these guys where it will hurt.

I look at it like this. If the bully in the playground keeps poking you in the chest asking for your nickle you have a choice to make.
1. Give him the nickle. ( he will be back for more tomorrow)
2. Compromise by giving him part of your nickle ( that is what we have been doing all along)
3. Punch him in the nose ( maybe he will go away and not come back)
4. If he comes back, punch him in the nose again till he stops.

Sounds remarkably childish, but it's the same principal. If we don't make them account for any consequences when they file this rubbish, they will keep doing it. All we are doing is waking up to " ****, another law proposed today. Let's build our defense again on this new matter. Then it continues, day after day. New laws proposed, new defenses concocted. Somebody with the power in office has to put a stop to this and set precedence. Then, back to what I said in the first place. If we have nobody on the inside to help do this, then the only other way is a show of force by EVERYBODY, not just some of us.

It amazes me that while all this stuff is going on guys are still making posts like " will this stock keep me legal" and crap like that. Man, there isn't gonna be anything to ask questions about if we don't stop waiting to see what's gonna happen. Posts like---" I don't think Jerry Browne will this--or that" Are you serious? Are you willing to wait and see how it will pan out? And if it doesn't? Then what? None of it will matter at that point. Anyone like I mentioned above having personal contacts with politicians in a position to help us, that can file these papers had better get this point across to them --fast!! We ALL need to be of the same mind set--NO TOLERANCE! It's gone far enough in my eyes.