Purchase of non CA DOJ listed weapons by CA residents

[1gunmccoy]

Can a CA resident purchase a handgun from an FFL in NV that is not on the CA DOJ approved list and send it to an FFL in CA for registration and pick up? I'm also assuming that the guns in question are legal to own in CA. For example, an H&K HK45 is legal to own in CA but not legal for dealers to sell, import for sale, etc in CA. Once I have purchased it in NV, it is my gun so I now own it (and thus I don't believe it falls under the DOJ approved list limitations). The dealer is then just transferring it to a CA FFL to register it for me (not importing for sale, etc). What sayest the sages?

[jnojr]

Can a CA resident purchase a handgun from an FFL in NV that is not on the CA DOJ approved list and send it to an FFL in CA for registration and pick up?

No. You could have a relative in another state buy and send to you, though.

[Quiet]

Can a CA resident purchase a handgun from an FFL in NV that is not on the CA DOJ approved list and send it to an FFL in CA for registration and pick up? I'm also assuming that the guns in question are legal to own in CA. For example, an H&K HK45 is legal to own in CA but not legal for dealers to sell, import for sale, etc in CA. Once I have purchased it in NV, it is my gun so I now own it (and thus I don't believe it falls under the DOJ approved list limitations). The dealer is then just transferring it to a CA FFL to register it for me (not importing for sale, etc). What sayest the sages?

The Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale still applies.

You may have purchased it, but you do not own it until a FFL dealer transfers it to you and a CA FFL dealer can not transfer a handgun to you unless it is on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or exempt from it.

[Quiet]

No. You could have a relative in another state buy and send to you, though.

Intra-familial gift exemption only applies if the relative is a grandparent, parent, child or grandchild.
If the relative is not one of those, then the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale still applies.

[1gunmccoy]

The Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale still applies.

You may have purchased it, but you do not own it until a FFL dealer transfers it to you and a CA FFL dealer can not transfer a handgun to you unless it is on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or exempt from it.

As an alternative, could you not have a NV resident friend buy the gun and then sell it to you, as a PP transaction and then you register the transfer with a CA FFL since the list of approved guns does not apply to PP transactions?

[pdsmith505]

As an alternative, could you not have a NV resident friend buy the gun and then sell it to you, as a PP transaction and then you register the transfer with a CA FFL since the list of approved guns does not apply to PP transactions?

The term straw purchase comes to mind.

[SwissFluCase]

I'd inquire about a single shot exemption. I don't know if one exists for this model.

Regards,


SwissFluCase

[aklover_91]

As an alternative, could you not have a NV resident friend buy the gun and then sell it to you, as a PP transaction and then you register the transfer with a CA FFL since the list of approved guns does not apply to PP transactions?

No, any transfer of a handgun over state lines or between residents of different states needs to be processed through an FFL in the receiver's state. Federal law.

Guns already in CA aren't effected by the roster, but if an NV resident is visiting you that still counts as an interstate transfer, legally, so the FFL can't do it for you.

There are ways around the roster, though. Hit up the search function about the Single Shot Exemption, I'm sure someone will explain it in depth shortly.

Basically, singleshot handguns that meet certain size requirements are exempt form the roster. Certain FFL's will receivean offroster gun, modify it with a long *** barrel and a 0 round magazine (to make it fit the exemption), then sell it to you.

At which point, you could sell them back the sled mag and long barrel in return for the original components, and legally modufy your firearm to the factory original condition.

I've never done it though, so I don't have a shop to recommend.

[curtisfong]

ebrworks in socal

[Librarian]

There's a sticky for this - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=503873

[1gunmccoy]

Guess I'm still missing something. The prohibitions in the Roster of Handguns specifically states, "Private party transfers...are ecempt from this requirement". So I'm just not understanding why would I be limited in doing a PP transfer? The fact that ALL transfers have to be processed through an FFL doesn't change the fact that it is still a PP transfer.

[curtisfong]

Guess I'm still missing something. The prohibitions in the Roster of Handguns specifically states, "Private party transfers...are ecempt from this requirement". So I'm just not understanding why would I be limited in doing a PP transfer? The fact that ALL transfers have to be processed through an FFL doesn't change the fact that it is still a PP transfer.

ppts are face to face in person

[SwissFluCase]

ppts are face to face in person

Between California residents, for the sake of this question.

Regards,


SwissFluCase

[1gunmccoy]

So then it is not possible for a CA resident to go to a gun show out of state and buy any gun from a person and then register it in CA?

[1gunmccoy]

Or for that matter buy a gun from a person at the other end of CA and have it shipped from FFL to FFL?