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  • kyoseki
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 81

    Has the NRA offered to teach gun grabbers?

    Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but has the NRA offered (publicly) to teach gun grabbers about what it is they're trying to legislate?

    I can't tell you the number of times I've heard "I've never touched a gun and I hope I never do but...."

    ... why don't we fix that ignorance? Or at least make the offer (very) publicly? Offer to teach people, at the very least, it would give us the intellectual high ground, which would REALLY annoy them.
  • #2
    yellowfin
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2007
    • 8371

    It has seemed rather lacking of them to reach out to people who aren't already gun owners, to debunk the boogeyman myth the other side has painted of them.
    "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
    Originally posted by indiandave
    In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
    Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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    • #3
      wilit
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2005
      • 5198

      Several years ago when my wife was the editor-in-chief of the local paper, I posted (a couple of times) about when she was a reporter the NSSF had an education day where a bunch of reporters from the paper came out and learned about the various guns and were able to shoot them. It was the first time my wife had ever shot a gun and found the experience extremely fun. I tried to get some sort of traction to get something like this going again, but I was met with thunderous silence.
      "If a man hasn't found something worth dying for, he isn't fit to live." - Martin Luther King Jr.
      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
      "You have to be willing to swing your nuts like a deadblow hammer to put these jackasses in their place." - AJAX22
      "The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry." - William F Buckley Jr.
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      • #4
        kaligaran
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 4800

        What makes you think that the gun grabbers would listen to anything the NRA has to say?
        WTB: multiautomatic ghost gun with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Must include shoulder thing that goes up.
        Memberships/Affiliations: CERT, ARRL ARES, NRA Patron Member, HRC, CGN/CGSSA, Cal-FFL

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        • #5
          Helpful_Cub
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Jul 2010
          • 1461

          I think the real front is the ground. Each of us taking a none gun person out for a day at the range. I know that's what happened to my Girlfriend and she's now an NRA member waiting for prices on ARs to come back down to normal so she can own her first one. She found using a gun very intimidating at first but after workings her up from a 22lr rifle to a 22lr revolver and into a full handgun and eventually into a AR-15 she's totally feeling empowered and now understands how the gun is just a tool. Its the person behind it that makes the decisions on if and where that bullet goes.
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          • #6
            Tincon
            Mortuus Ergo Invictus
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Nov 2012
            • 5062

            In 1994 the NRA invited Clinton and the supporters of the AW ban to the range to actually see and use (and maybe understand) the guns they were trying to ban. They didn't show.

            Also:
            On Saturday, January 19th [2013] from 8:00 to 11:00 a.m. in Las Vegas, the National Rifle Association will be hosting an elected officials-only classroom and range tutorial on the purpose and practical use of semi-automatic firearms and the differences between semi-automatic and automatic function.

            Although this invitation is something that has been planned since October of last year to dovetail with the SHOT Show, I’m sure you are aware that this has been a much-discussed issue of late and before the matter of so-called “assault weapons” is debated further, the NRA wanted to create an opportunity for Nevada’s policy makers to examine these firearms firsthand in a secure environment, ask questions, and if desired, shoot them in the indoor range at our host site, Battlefield Vegas. The firearm instructors at Battlefield are the top in their field and will be providing an expert education second to none.
            Last edited by Tincon; 01-28-2013, 11:07 AM.
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            • #7
              steamerjames
              Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 353

              I'm not sure it would do any good.Some people just will not change their minds.My wife is againest gun control and wants a 9mm and maybe a Shotgun.Do not know if i can afford a shotgun.Her sister is anti-gun freak, belives all the crap on TV that all Ar-15's are machneguns,Says anyone can buy a machinegun, cash and carry.She's an Engineer for crying out loud Stupid as owl ****.Knows a lot about Engineering but believes everything she see's on TV.Does not relize that TV is full of lies.PS They both grew up in the south where guns are as common as dishwater.

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              • #8
                pHredd9mm
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2012
                • 99

                I am an NRA certified trainer in most disciplines. I pretty much only take those who "hate' firearms to the range for some firsthand experience. 80% of the time they are women and mostly teachers. They usually love the experience. And it is free to them. I do this as a public service; my time, my firearms, my ammo, my range fees.

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                • #9
                  10K2HVN
                  Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 141

                  Originally posted by Tincon
                  In 1994 the NRA invited Clinton and the supporters of the AW ban to the range to actually see and use (and maybe understand) the guns they were trying to ban. They didn't show.

                  Also:
                  That's because their goal isn't about learning our facts about firearms.

                  Their agenda is [eventually] gun confiscation, probably for some other [hidden] purpose..

                  They say they don't want to take your arms [now], but pending legislation specifically states that you will not be allowed to grandfather your arms ("assault weapons") down to your children.

                  Yes, you will be allowed to keep them for now...

                  This is not confiscation of the current individual, but this is still confiscation of the overall people.

                  This pending legislation is also pointed directly at us Californians. Feinstein directly mentions "Bullet Buttons".

                  We need more people fighting this.

                  Last edited by 10K2HVN; 01-28-2013, 11:51 AM. Reason: YouTube link

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                  • #10
                    kyoseki
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 81

                    Originally posted by kaligaran
                    What makes you think that the gun grabbers would listen to anything the NRA has to say?
                    Ah, that's not the point though, the point is to illustrate that the gun grabbers don't want to know anything.

                    If the NRA puts out a press release pointing out that there are plenty of firearms in Feinstein's bill that are:
                    A: Just as lethal as an AR-15 but on the exemption list
                    B: Nowhere near as lethal as an AR-15 but on the banned list
                    ie. Pointing out that the ban doesn't even do what it says it does.

                    Then offer to teach them the difference (with plenty of media cameras in tow), it puts Feinstein in a bind, she either shows that she has no interest in learning the difference or they get a nice media event to show everyone how clueless she is.

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                    • #11
                      IPSICK
                      Veteran Member
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 4259

                      Originally posted by kyoseki
                      Ah, that's not the point though, the point is to illustrate that the gun grabbers don't want to know anything.

                      If the NRA puts out a press release pointing out that there are plenty of firearms in Feinstein's bill that are:
                      A: Just as lethal as an AR-15 but on the exemption list
                      B: Nowhere near as lethal as an AR-15 but on the banned list
                      ie. Pointing out that the ban doesn't even do what it says it does.

                      Then offer to teach them the difference (with plenty of media cameras in tow), it puts Feinstein in a bind, she either shows that she has no interest in learning the difference or they get a nice media event to show everyone how clueless she is.
                      You don't need to involve gun grabbing zealots in any of the PR stuff you are trying to show.

                      Probably better to show your points using non-stereotypical gun owner to do the demonstrations. Problem is right now the face of the NRA (gun owners) is WLP and DK, both old white dudes. What happened to Sandy Froman?
                      "When you get the (men) to the range, you just get the men. But when you bring the (women) to the range, you get the (whole family). And that's what's going to save our 2nd Amendment."--Dianna Liedorff

                      "Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X

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                      • #12
                        Kopis
                        Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 450

                        Originally posted by pHredd9mm
                        I am an NRA certified trainer in most disciplines. I pretty much only take those who "hate' firearms to the range for some firsthand experience. 80% of the time they are women and mostly teachers. They usually love the experience. And it is free to them. I do this as a public service; my time, my firearms, my ammo, my range fees.
                        Good for you!

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                        • #13
                          PackingHeatInSDCA
                          Member
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 456

                          good point. I've often wondered if many of the anti arguments can be resolved with a little education. The NRA should have a take an anti to the range month. Something where the range's participate by waving fees and members take someone they know to the range who is not familiar with guns. give them a chance to learn. I think it would go a long way towards debunking all these stupid things they say.
                          They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
                          -Benjamin Franklin

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                          • #14
                            kaligaran
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 4800

                            Originally posted by PackingHeatInSDCA
                            good point. I've often wondered if many of the anti arguments can be resolved with a little education.
                            The anti-politians wouldn't change. They have reasons that are even more sinister.

                            However, the misinformed public would. Definitly take friends/family/co-workers that are not gun owners. I have not yet taken someone to a range that has had a miserable first experience.
                            WTB: multiautomatic ghost gun with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Must include shoulder thing that goes up.
                            Memberships/Affiliations: CERT, ARRL ARES, NRA Patron Member, HRC, CGN/CGSSA, Cal-FFL

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                            • #15
                              Kingofthehill
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 1867

                              I have absolutely no doubt that people like DiFi and Biden know how firearms work very well and those are our biggest enemies.

                              Whats sad is if you look at the group of gay marriage proponents, they want us to be "understanding to their cause" yet they don't give a crap about our cause and never will. I think that Women is a big group that needs to be opened up (Hear me those with Mothers, wives, Sisters, Daughters, girlfriends) and show them that due to the disadvantage in size its a big plus for their safety and especially a motherly instinct to protect children if they have any. Another group we need to strongly get on board are African American's and remind them that it wasn't much more than a generation ago that they were slaves and not allowed to defend themselves, now they have that right they should be like the JPFO (jews for the preservation of firearms) and put themselves in the best position to NEVER allow such history to repeat itself. Those are 2 BIG groups of people we need to focus on IMO and show them that they have everything to gain from exercising such rights.

                              JOe

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