From Shooting Wire - Alan Gura

[ghostwong]

from . . http://www.shootingwire.com/

[G60]

i'm confused

[GW]

He means that someone, somewhere will find a person's given hobby as dangerous or subversive or whatever.

The writers particular phobia it would seem, is spiders and such, so to him, folks that would keep spiders are a "menace".
Equally there are ignorant and silly people who fear guns and anyone, such as myself, who collects/shoots/hunts with guns are viewed by them as dangerous or crazy or both.
Its all about winning hearts and minds.
I for one, would be proud to buy Mr. Gura a drink some day.
I think he did a splendid job.

[hoffmang]

Calgunners pick up Mr. Gura's bar tap. Don't worry about that.

-Gene

[CCWFacts]

My prediction is that the justices are going to come up with some judicial test to determine which guns are covered. This test won't specifically say, "MGs aren't covered", so there could be some follow-up suit over MGs. And the 10th amend is on life-support but it's not dead yet. It is possible that Raich will be weakened at some future date, and then MGs could pursued through that.

I really want to be able to buy a new MG so it's sad for me. But reality is what it is; if I don't like it I can move to Europe, where permits for new MGs are available in some countries.

[hoffmang]

Or we could just ask NRA to seek a repeal of 922(o) on the basis that its probably not Constitutional...

-Gene

[Army]

It is NOT illegal to yell "Fire" in a theatre............especially if it's on fire.

It is only illegal to yell "fire" with the intent to disrupt or to start a panic.

[AKman]

Damn English and their language. They're there just to torture us with their language.

[FortCourageArmory]

I hope this will put to bed the whole "Gura sold us out" theme the absolutists among us seem to be spouting. While I'm hopeful, reality tells me it won't......

[CCWFacts]

I hope this will put to bed the whole "Gura sold us out" theme the absolutists among us seem to be spouting. While I'm hopeful, reality tells me it won't......

No, it won't. I once posted something saying that it's generally illegal to open carry a loaded gun in California and I got someone telling me I was trying to profit from denying them their rights. Huh? Then instead of describing what they meant, they made references to PC sections which provided some extremely narrow circumstances which allow loaded open carry. I knew what those were and I know they have almost no real-world applicability but some more naive person could read it and think that "oh, this law here says open loaded carry is legal!" So it's safe and clear to say, loaded open carry is generally not legal in California. Even safer and clearer is to leave out the word "generally" and just say, "you can't legally open carry a loaded gun in California", even if that is not a 100% complete statement of things in every circumstance here.

So, no, for people who don't want to listen, this won't change their minds.

[bulgron]

Yeah, I've had people jump down my throat for saying you can't legally open carry in CA. Then they start going on about all the loop holes, including carrying an unloaded weapon. Whatever. For all practical purpose, carrying openly in CA is illegal for the vast majority of the state's population. Split all the hairs that you want, that's still the bottom line reality that most of us live with.

[AfricanHunter]

anyone know which board Gura posted on? Link?

CCWFacts,

Which European countries allow permits for new MG's?

[ghostwong]

Here some more for you . . . http://cdn1.libsyn.com/guntalk/080309guntalkA.mp3

This is an interview he did with Tom Gresham on Guntalk. Gives good insight on what is going on.

http://guntalk.libsyn.com

Will take you to the entire Guntalk archives. Guntalk 2008-03-16 Part A, has Sandy Froman talking about the Second Amendment.

Hope it help all of us.

[CCWFacts]

Which European countries allow permits for new MG's?

Most of them, AFAIK, except the UK and perhaps a couple of other gun-banning countries. They are not hard to get in the Czech Republic, Finland and Switzerland, and are available to greater or lesser degrees in most of the others.

If European gun owners would start fighting, including using their court systems, they could get into quite a good position. All the European countries have may-issue CCW systems and most of Europe has may-issue MG permits. The problem there is that their gun rights orgs are afraid to fight. Compounding that problem is that there is the perception that gun rights are a far-right issue in Europe. That's bad, and gun rights orgs there should change that perception.

[CCWFacts]

Yeah, I've had people jump down my throat for saying you can't legally open carry in CA. Then they start going on about all the loop holes, including carrying an unloaded weapon. Whatever. For all practical purpose, carrying openly in CA is illegal for the vast majority of the state's population. Split all the hairs that you want, that's still the bottom line reality that most of us live with.

It's even narrower than that. No school zones which the carrier is aware of or should reasonably be aware of, which pretty much excludes most of California's city areas. And I think it can also be restricted by municipal codes, although those may or may not survive a court challenge, although a court challenge itself is not fun. And I'm not clear on what happens with open carry in a vehicle. Including driving through school zones.

So if you have a map of school zones and you've read through all the municipal codes and you're ok with being hassled by law enforcement as you go about your business, and an unloaded gun is good enough, then yeah, open carry is totally fine and a great idea. But try saying that and see the reactions from open carriers ("it's legal to open carry*! (and then the * part is about 5 pages long") and from absolutists "you can't deny my right to bear arms!"

Ok.