PROCEDURES DONE PRIOR TO POLICE EXECUTING WARRANT ON GUN OWNERS HOUSE

[Gunjunkie078]

Unfortunately you pays your money and you takes your choice. If the invaders really are bad guys and you survive, then you may have a chance. If they are cops, well, as an LEO on another board put it, "No one has the right to try to kill a cop. Try and kill one of us and we will kill you. Be cool and we will be cool. What is so hard to understand about that?"

There's nothing hard to understand about that..... I will never intentionally shoot a cop.... But if it's at midnight they show up unannounced and I don't know who it is it's a hard choice it's the safety of my family first .... Yes they may be cops and if theyre not ?

[socal2310]

All handguns have to be registered here in California. And yes back in the days staying out of trouble was easy because there wherent so many laws to be broken. When I was younger I bought a laptop on craigslist which happened to be stolen and yet knocked down my parents door no announcement. Imagine my dad would of shot them thinking it was a burglar. By the way charges never came up on the das behalf because he acknowledged the situation .

Yes, but many older weapons didn't have to be registered, many that were supposed to be registered weren't, the majority of long-guns do not need to be registered and as I said before, cops aren't stupid enough to assume that someone who isn't supposed to have firearms doesn't.

There would be little to gain from calling ahead and a lot of downsides.

Ryan

[thenodnarb]

This is why you barricade the door well. Anyone coming in is going to spend some time at it. If its the cops, you have some time to determine that and let them in. If its not, they probably won't try too long. Your home is your castle, and it should be fortified like one.

[Meplat]

All handguns have to be registered here in California. And yes back in the days staying out of trouble was easy because there wherent so many laws to be broken. When I was younger I bought a laptop on craigslist which happened to be stolen and yet knocked down my parents door no announcement. Imagine my dad would of shot them thinking it was a burglar. By the way charges never came up on the das behalf because he acknowledged the situation .

You are misinformed. All handguns do not have to be registered in CA, and many are not. Any that are DROSed get registered, and any privately held pistols that are imported by people moving here are supposed to be. But that 1911 you inherited is probably not registered and does not need to be.

This is a huge problem in my estimation. A lot of cops and innocent civilians have died just on the off chance that someone might try to flush their pot or pills down the dumper!

[Gunjunkie078]

You are misinformed. All handguns do not have to be registered in CA, and many are not. Any that are DROSed get registered, and any privately held pistols that are imported by people moving here are supposed to be. But that 1911 you inherited is probably not registered and does not need to be.

This is a huge problem in my estimation. A lot of cops and innocent civilians have died just on the off chance that someone might try to flush their pot or pills down the dumper!

I praise you for your response very smart

[Eric B]

There is no phone call. Smart officers wait for you to leave the house then car jam you away from your home. It's much safer to enter a home when the owner isn't barricaded.

Unless they're granted a "no knock", by law, (A) they must announce themselves, (B) demand entry and then (C) wait a "reasonable" amount of time before forcing entry.

(C) Is debated all the time as its not a very objective requirement.

Because "No knocks" are so dangerous, they're not issued as much as you'd think.

[Hoooper]

if the police come into your house unannounced, without identifying themselves as police before or after they kick the door down, I would think you can "rightfully" shoot them as they didnt identify themselves. I dont really know how it would work, but I would imagine that they would yell "police", FBI, whatever a couple times once inside and you would know. They dont want you to shoot at them just as much as you dont want to shoot them

[KON5T]

Unfortunately you pays your money and you takes your choice. If the invaders really are bad guys and you survive, then you may have a chance. If they are cops, well, as an LEO on another board put it, "No one has the right to try to kill a cop. Try and kill one of us and we will kill you. Be cool and we will be cool. What is so hard to understand about that?"

sounds good on paper, but in reality they often aren't "cool" no matter what.

More to the point, illegal entry is illegal entry, no matter who commits it.

[Ammodog]

I hear they knock quite unexpectedly, gain entry, and begin poking with soft cushions… in the comfy chair of course…

[winnre]

Are they even going to run a check to see if you have guns first?

[keenkeen]

I understand the steps that need to be taken prior to the search warrant. My question is do they call the GUNOWNER prior to entering ? That way the GUNOWNER doesn't think someone is breaking into they're house when its actually the police ?

In your case they would probably call your Mom ahead of time...It is her basement after all.

[Gunjunkie078]

In your case they would probably call your Mom ahead of time...It is her basement after all.

Lol lmfao that was when I was 15 years old lol

[Gunjunkie078]

This is a real headache I think people on both sides are getting killed over it read actual examples below a us marine got killed like that as well let me know what you guys think:

Examples

Kathryn Johnston (c1914-2006) was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia woman shot by three undercover police officers in her home on November 21, 2006 after she fired one shot at the ceiling, assuming her home was being invaded. While the officers were wounded by friendly fire, none of the officers received life threatening injuries, but Johnston was killed by their gunfire.[1]
Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic led Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police."[3][4][5]
Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.[6][7]
Ismael Mena, a Mexican immigrant, was shot and killed by SWAT team officers in Denver, Colorado who were performing a no-knock raid that was approved by a judge acting on false information contained in a search warrant. The police believed there to be drugs in the house, but no drugs were found on the premises, and it was later revealed that the address given to the SWAT team by officer Joseph Bini was the wrong one. Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas investigated the matter and cleared the officers involved with the raid on the grounds that Mena had pointed a gun and fired it at SWAT officers, although who fired first remains unknown. However, many have objected to the investigation's findings due to inconsistencies in the various officers' account of what happened. The American Civil Liberties Union, and others, have objected to the Denver Police Department's request for a no-knock raid and the Judge's decision to allow such a raid on the grounds that they failed to meet the criteria necessary for a no-knock raid.[8]
US Marine Jose Guerena was shot twenty-two times by a SWAT team planning to execute a search warrant. He retrieved a legally possessed rifle in response to sudden intruders, likely concerned for his family's safety, and the SWAT team opened fire on him before establishing any communication. The team later retracted its initial claims he had opened fire when it was established that Guerena had never fired and his safety was still on. The police refused to allow paramedics to access Guerena for more than hour, leaving Guerena to bleed to death, alone, in his own home. Members of the SWAT team subsequently hired legal defense and a large following of fellow Marines held a memorial service at his home with his widow.

[Gunjunkie078]

Are they even going to run a check to see if you have guns first?

I would imagine they would . I would imagine of course for none drug related offenses they would call you prior don't you guys think ?

[bill_k_lopez]

OP - take some advice...